China becomes first export customer for S-300PMU2

The S-400 is a three-tier air defense system: 9M96, 48N6, and 40N6. The 48N6DM is a 48N6 variant matched to the S-400 to provide the mid-range (to 200 km) level of defense.

S-400 long range missile

I am a bit confused. The long range missile of the S-400 (SA-X-21) is the 40N6, right? What is the role of 48N6DM in that picture? is it a further evolution of the 48N6E2

I heart that S400 big missile has 400 km range and it can intercept targets with velocities of up to 4.8 km/sec corresponding to a ballistic missile range of 3,500 km.
Do you know something more ?

Still 200 km as far as I know.

what is the new 48N6DM Triumf missile range ??

GRAVE STONE is the modified TOMB STONE engagement radar used by the S-400 series.

How to differentiate 48N6 and 48N6E2

Is there any pic of the S-300PMU2 just after “takeoff”. How can you tell if amissile is an 48N6 or an 48N6E2?

Ok, whats the GRAVE-STONE Radar?

JMR is wrong again…the 64N6 EW radar is BIG BIRD, not TOMB STONE. TOMB STONE is the upgraded 30N6 engagement radar for the S-300PMU-1/2 (SA-20 GARGOYLE).

Please don’t post elsewhere, thanks.

Date Posted: 17-Sep-2004

JANE’S MISSILES AND ROCKETS – OCTOBER 01, 2004

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New S-400 variant may use S-300V long-range missile
According to the Russian newspaper Vremya Novostei, the Almaz-Antei consortium has developed a new surface-to-air missile system designated Samoderzhets (Autocrat), writes Doug Richardson. This new system has been described as being fifth-generation, the term fourth-generation having been used to describe the S-400 Triumf.

In January 2004, the newspaper had quoted Antei designers as stating that a new fifth-generation SAM system would be available by 2012, but this is unlikely to have been a reference to Samoderzhets, since the latter will apparently be available on a much shorter timescale. The newspaper suggested that if Russian military forces are re-equipped with Samoderzhets, the S-400 could be released for export, meeting the international demand for higher-performance SAM systems.

No details of the new Samoderzhets system were revealed, but other reports in the Russian press have suggested that it may combine the ground systems, radar, and 9M96 and 9M96/2 missiles of the S-400 with the long-range 9M82M missile originally developed for the S-300VM Antei-2500.

Deployment of the S-400 has been hindered by delays in developing the system’s long-range missiles, which are being developed by Fakel. Trials had to begin using the 48N6 long-range missile used by the S-300P (SA-10 ‘Grumble’).

The 40km-range 9M96 (export designation 9M96E) and 120km-range 9M96/2 (export designation 9M96E2), and the ground-based radar, fire-control and launch systems are now ready, but development of the 400km-range 40N6 has been delayed by various problems, including lack of funding.

During the MAKS 2003 exhibition in Moscow it was reported that state trials of the 40N6 were expected to continue through 2004, in the hope that the S-400 could finally enter service some time in 2005. Although the S-400 had recently completed a series of trials using the 48N6, it would not be deployed with these missiles, which have only a limited capability against ballistic-missile threats.

To create the Samoderzhets, Almaz-Antei may have taken the heavy 9M82M missile that was developed for the S-300VM and repackaged this into the S-400 launcher. This change of platform should not impose undue technical risk, since it substitutes a wheeled launcher in place of the tracked launcher that the 9M82M was designed to use.

The 9M82M missile has a maximum range of 200km against large aircraft targets and can engage ballistic missiles re-entering at speeds of up to 4.5km/s. The latter velocity is associated with missiles with a range of 2,500km. Its warhead creates 20g fragments intended to improve the kill performance against incoming re-entry vehicles.

At a press conference held on 18 August, 2004, Colonel General Yuri Vasilyevich Solovyov, commander of the Special Task Command Troops, said that the S-400 was still undergoing tests, but was expected to enter service with the Moscow region anti-aircraft and anti-missile defence forces some time in 2005. Speaking to the newspaper Trud a week later, he described the S-400 as “a very expensive and sophisticated weapon, which is why its testing is delayed. We plan to receive the first complexes next year. I don’t know how many complexes we will have”.

Col Gen Solovyov also said that during trials conducted at the Ashuluk testing ground in 2003 and 2004, the S-300PM Favorit SAM system had been tested against simulated ballistic-missile targets. He described the target as a shell 2m long, 220mm in diameter and with a radar cross-section of only 0.01m2. After reaching an altitude of 60km, this descended as a speed of 800m/s. (In practice, this speed is not particularly challenging, being about half that of a Scud-class missile.)

– In April 2004, Air Marshal Vladimir Mikhailov, commander of the Russian Air Force, was reported as stating that a new extended-range missile was being developed for the S-300 (Sa-10 ‘Grumble’). Intended to improve the system’s missile-defence capabilities, it would be offered for export.

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Plus, some more info on the new S-300PMU2 deal.

JANE’S MISSILES AND ROCKETS – OCTOBER 01, 2004

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China to buy more S-300 SAMs from Russia
David C Isby

China will make a substantial additional purchase of S-300 (SA-10/20) series surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems in the near future, writes David C Isby. The size of the contract has not been announced, but reports in the Russian press indicate that it will be for between four and eight 12-launcher battalions with full equipment. The proposed deal has been agreed by Rosoboronexport and the Chinese Defence Ministry, and a contract is due to be signed by the end of 2004. It is expected to be worth around US$900 million.

In 1993, China placed its first order for the S-300 system, ordering two battalions of S-300PMU. In 1994, a further order was placed for four battalions of the improved S-300PMU1, which incorporates better subsystems such as the 48N6E missile and the 30N6 version of the ‘Flap Lid’ engagement radar.

A third contract, probably signed in 2001, covered four further S-300PMU1 battalions. Deliveries under this last contract were completed in August 2004. China’s most recent S-300 test firing was conducted in July 2004, but there was no indication of the version used.

Although most of China’s existing systems are S-300PMU1, Beijing has being trying to acquire the S-300PMU2 for several years. This variant includes the longer-ranged 48N6E2 missile, the 30N6E2 version of the ‘Flap Lid’ engagement radar and the 64N6E2 version of the ‘Tombstone’ surveillance radar.

Early in 2004 it was reported that China’s next purchase might be of S-300PMU1 systems incorporating some PMU2 technology. Russian press reports of the latest deal describe the systems as S-300PMU, but a report in Jane’s Defence Weekly (27 August 2004) says that the contract will be for eight battalions of S-300PMU2, making China the first export customer for the system.

Most if not all of the earlier Chinese S-300 procurements had involved a 50:50 combination of payment and barter, but the proposed new contract would be a cash purchase.

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The 9M96 and 96L6 are part of both the S-300PMU-2 and the S-400. And SA-20 GARGOYLE is the NATO/ASCC name for the S-300PMU-1/2 series, NOT the S-400. That one is SA-X-21.

They “denied” meaning it wasn’t the S-400 that China ordered but the -PMU2 and the improved -PMU1 last year.

This is from kanwa:

2001-10-30: HAS CHINA TRIAL LAUNCHED S400
2004-06-30: RUSSIA DENIES THE OFFER OF S400 SAM TO CHINA

Hmmm………….Any comments?

Yeah I heard about this too. None of the defense journalists from Jane’s to Kanwa ever supported it directly though.

However, the S-300 purchase last year in the same amount of about $500 million, has some S-400 parts, which is the 96L9E phase array radar unit (hence referred to as S-300PMU1A by one publication). The S-300PMU2 purchase includes 9M96E missiles which are also part of the S-400 complex. Another cause of confusion is that S-300PMU2 Favorit and S-400 Truimf are both referred to as SA-20s (NATO designation?)

That’s most likely a misprint. Consider this- if a lowly news corporation reported such a blockbuster deal, then it would have been all over the defence journals, which it wasn’t.

China has ordered the S-400 from Russia. The S-400 is able to intercept targets out to 400km. China is taking delivery of more and more advanced versions of the S-300 as well ordering the S-400. It is also building indigenous HQ-9s and FT-2000s. It is also rumored to be working with the Czechs and Ukrainians to develop anti-stealth technology.

China is using Chinese, Russian, Czech and Ukrainian technology to construct what will be the scariest long range SAM network in the world.

Source being what that they ordered the S-400?

I think Kanwa reported that “CHINA TRIAL LAUNCHED S400”

Yeah, but will it deter the worlds scariest air force equipped with F-22s, B-2s and F-35s…..?

Macau Defense= Mob Guys

Who won the last round of mob wars in Macau?

IIRC, it was a four-way struggle between the local Macanese (Chinese-Portuguese) mob, the Big Circle Boys from China, the Hong Kong 14K Triad and the Macau police. There was a cameo performance from the Russian mafia who were importing blondes for the casinos.

The gangsters from either side tried to get the Portuguese police chief, Baptista, several times. But the real big war was between the HK and local mobs.

I’m not sure who won and whether Macau is under control of the HK Triads.

Of course, the PLA provides “protection” for both HK and Macau.

Anyone know of the main air defence systems and missiles that defend HOng Kong and Macau?

Macau Defense= Mob Guys

Hong Kong Defense= Wong Jing Films. When Hong Hong is attacked, they will just open up a Wong Jing Film Festival. That should repel missiles, submarines, sukhois, Girls, Asteroids, Dinosaurs…just about anything that’s moving.