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China trying to steal info on S-400?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/05/russia-arrests-chinese-translator-spying?newsfeed=true

Russia arrests Chinese ‘spy’ in row over defence weapons

Man accused of seeking details of anti-aircraft missile system which experts say the Chinese are trying to copy

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Miriam Elder in Moscow and Tania Branigan in Beijing
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 5 October 2011 13.34 EDT
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A new generation air defence system S-400
The S-400 defence system, an update from the S-300 which Russia accuses China of trying to copy. Photograph: Andrey Smirnov/AFP/Getty Images

Russia’s security service has revealed that it arrested a suspected Chinese spy who posed as a translator while seeking sensitive information on an anti-aircraft system.

The man, identified as Tun Sheniyun, was arrested on 28 October last year, the federal security service (FSB) said in a statement cited by RIA-Novosti news agency.

It was unclear why the FSB disclosed the arrest on Wednesday, less than one week before the prime minister, Vladimir Putin, travels to China on an official visit.

The alleged spy was acting “under the guise of a translator of official delegations”, the statement said.

He had “attempted to obtain technological and maintenance documents on the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system from Russian citizens for money”, it added. That information is a state secret, it said.

Prosecutors sent the case to court on Tuesday, the statement said. Tun faces charges of attempted espionage.

Last year, Russia delivered 15 S-300 systems to China, a popular Soviet-era arms export, as part of a deal signed several years earlier. Yet Beijing has recently turned to more modern systems.

Putin’s two-day visit to China next Tuesday will be his first foreign trip since he announced his planned return to the Russian presidency next year.

Ruslan Pukhov, director of the centre for analysis of strategies and technologies, a defence thinktank in Moscow, said: “They [the Chinese] are trying to copy this system illegally. They’ve already copied a whole series of our weapons.

“They’re trying to clone the S-300, to serve their interests and also to export. As I understand it, it’s not all working out. They probably wanted extra documentation to better deal with this task of reverse engineering.”

A report by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (Sipri) released this week warned that the Sino-Russian relationship was growing increasingly uneasy given China’s international rise.

“In the coming years, while relations will remain close at the diplomatic level, the two cornerstones of the partnership over the past two decades – military and energy co-operation – are crumbling,” the thinktank wrote. “As a result, Russia’s significance to China will continue to diminish.”

It said that while more than 90% of China’s major conventional weapons imports came from Russia between 1991 and 2010, the volume of imports had declined dramatically in the last five years.

In part, that reflected the development of its own arms industry and the fact that Russia could not meet some of the new demands of the People’s Liberation Army as it developed, said Dr Paul Holtom, director of the Sipri arms transfers programme and one of the report’s authors.

But it also reflected Russia’s diversified customer base, which allowed it to take a tougher negotiating stance with China, particularly given anxiety about how China would use its purchases.

“Russia is unwilling to provide China with advanced weapons and technology, primarily because it is concerned that China will copy Russian technology and compete with Russia on the international arms market,” said Holtom.

“The nature of the arms transfer relationship will increasingly be characterised by competition rather than co-operation.”

Maintenance and upgrades accounted for perhaps 10% of Russian arms transfers, meaning that Russians do not want to share related documents, he said.

But China also has concerns that some of the technology it is buying is not always up to scratch.

No one at the foreign ministry in Beijing could be reached for comment.

Earlier this year, Ukrainian authorities jailed a Russian man for six years, claiming he was stealing military secrets to further China’s aircraft carrier programme.

In the past two years, Russian customs officials have also accused two Chinese citizens of attempting to smuggle spare parts for Russian fighter jets across the border.

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By: Rodolfo - 25th October 2011 at 13:47

But 9M96 migrated to the Vytiaz project. May be if this shares some S-400 hardware, this should explain the “Chinese S-400 connection”.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 25th October 2011 at 11:53

I don’t see how S-400 is relevant here, though didn’t China partially fund that project or something?

Not that I’m aware of, but South Korea may have contributed if you consider the 9M96 missile a S-400 component and I would not be surprised if other cooperation between Samsung and Almaz-Antey was of benefit.

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By: Blitzo - 25th October 2011 at 09:39

Like more stories of Chinese espionage attempts?
Yeah I believe that.

I think he meant that it’s more complicated than simply getting info to copy — it doesn’t really make sense seeing as they have HQ-9.

It said the espionage involved tech and maintenance documents — possibly to supplement insufficient russian cooperation on maitenance or what not, given previous chinese experience? Clearly china’s not trying to clone S-300 and the idea it’s for integrating with the rest of the system/maintaining existing batches is more logical.

I don’t see how S-400 is relevant here, though didn’t China partially fund that project or something?

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By: TR1 - 25th October 2011 at 08:09

You have to believe that there are more stories behind this.

Like more stories of Chinese espionage attempts?
Yeah I believe that.

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By: tphuang - 25th October 2011 at 05:43

HQ-9 is already quite capable and in service with PLA and PLAN. All of the performance data shows that it is comparable PMU1 at least. There is certainly no reason for China to clone S-300, since they already have something as good. They just need to do some upgrades on it to make it better. There are certainly many things about PMU2 that I’m sure they would find useful to gather. Although since they already have the system in service, it begs the question what kind of additional data they are looking for. One possibility is that they are trying to modify the existing S-300 in service to make them more compatible with other Chinese systems. You have to believe that there are more stories behind this.

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By: El_Indigo - 25th October 2011 at 00:00

They indeed could not “make” their own S-300 on par with the S-300’s they got from Russia. Supposedly HQ-19 is less capable S-400. But that’s a lot of talk, without any substance/backing to it.

I’d love to hear Sean’s thoughts about this …does he still posts here ?

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By: Rodolfo - 24th October 2011 at 19:47

The newest SAM system China haves is the S-300PMU2 Favorit. May be Chinese spies are interested on information about this system. The system is relatively new (late 90s tech) and quite complex. No easy to reverse engineering.

IMO, the S-400 tech is still far away from Chinese hands.

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By: El_Indigo - 24th October 2011 at 11:19

How does “attempted to obtain technological and maintenance documents on the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system from Russian citizens for money” equites to China trying to steal info on S-400 ?

It’s more like China still trying to make a on par S-300 copy.

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