China vs Philippines

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Yes, but I meant history as in written records.

And I’m done, as long as there’s no more spouting of uninformed hyper-nationalist nonsense such as that emitted by Tigershark.

Egypt has a longer history than China.

Modern humans evolved from the last common ancestor of the Hominini and the species Australopithecines some 2.3-2.4 million years ago in Africa

One view among scientists concerning the origin of anatomically modern humans is the recent African origin of modern humans hypothesis (the “recent single-origin hypothesis” or “recent out-of-Africa” model),[9][10][11] which posits that Homo sapiens arose in Africa and migrated out of the continent some 50,000 to 100,000 years ago, replacing populations of Homo erectus in Asia and Neanderthals in Europe. An alternative multiregional hypothesis posits that Homo sapiens evolved as geographically separate but interbreeding populations stemming from the worldwide migration of Homo erectus out of Africa nearly 2.5 million years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

ARE WE ALL DONE NOW??

I know it’s free of cost for Philippines getting those ex USCG Cutter. However do US need to strip bare those ships of weapons except for those Oto Mellara 76mm ?

Ooo well

I do not suppose there is a NEED on the part of the US(N) to remove two Mk.38 M242 Bushmaster 25 mm chain gun amidships and the Phalanx CIWS system aft. However, it may simply be a cost/logistics issue for the PN and USN.

Here’s the deal:

Removal of EquipmentThe Hamilton was formally decommissioned on late March 2011, and the US Coast Guard removed the ship’s AN/SPS-40 air surface search radar to use as spares for operational Hamilton-class cutters. Also removed was the ship’s Phalanx CIWS and 2 Mk.38 M242 Bushmaster 25 mm chain guns, which will be used on their new National Security Cutters (NSCs) and Sentinel-class Fast Response Cutters, respectively. In return, the US Coast Guard began procuring and installing the safe-to-sail navigation equipment, radar systems and additional electronics that the Philippines’ requested as part of its transfer support case.[8] The Philippine Navy plans to install a 25mm chain gun, six mounted 50-caliber guns and two 20mm cannons.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRP_Gregorio_del_Pilar_(PF-15

Note: the ship is free of cost, the transfer(package) isn’t. This includes training, refurbishing. Transfer cost was paid out of civilian budget (which may also be a factor in severely limiting the armaments).

The vessel was acquired under the auspices of the country’s Mutual Defense Treaty with the US, which allows the Philippines to acquire decommissioned US defense equipment.

It was transferred to the Philippine Navy through the US Excess Defense Article program, at a transfer cost of P450 million, which was paid out of the Department of Energy’s Malampaya project funds.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/11559/navy-flagship-sheds-us-identity-videoke-onboard

Also: http://www.uscg.mil/acquisition/newsroom/pdf/CG9newsletterMay11.pdf (column 2 on page 2)

I’m pretty certain China won’t be the one to start it.( Hint: look at the increasingly noisy, bellicose and provocative statements coming from a certain country the other side of the Pacific.)

I hope your right because the Country on the other side of the Pacific won’t be firing the first shot either and no one wants war. However I do believe that they will initiate hostilities first. The economist magazine I believe it was last month had an article from a Chinese government approved magazine and the author said something along the lines of the Asian nations will have to get used to a confident assertive China and if they don’t they will have to get used to the sound of cannons on the high seas. It was not word for word i’m recalling from memory here, but I will go to my local library and scan the article for you. If the Chinese government is approving this message and we know it is a highly censored industry in China then I think it gives a pretty clear indication of were things are going. They are 100% not building up their military to drop aid packages for the poor or to use carriers and nuclear subs for humanitarian purposes, they are being built for one purpose. History is full of build ups and this is no different , it’s the beginning of a shift in global power.

Yeah, those kiwis are always cooking something i tell ya. 😀

I’m pretty certain China won’t be the one to start it.( Hint: look at the increasingly noisy, bellicose and provocative statements coming from a certain country the other side of the Pacific.)

Is New Zealand throwing its weight around again?

Exactly, if they had the military muscle to match their ambitiously absurd territorial claims there would be WWIII of that I have no doubt.

I’m pretty certain China won’t be the one to start it.( Hint: look at the increasingly noisy, bellicose and provocative statements coming from a certain country the other side of the Pacific.)

Nansha, Xisha, and huangyan is part of China in Han dynasty but other part of China part of other dynasty. Tibet is Chinese dynasty.. in China long history many Chinese dynasty exist outside main one. Tibet and Chinese have same origin. difference is same like East Germany and West Germany or when US was two country, two country but same nation. cannot bring in example of Egypt or Pakistan because those are new country. China have many thousand year history.

China navy has to do best to keep territory respected that is why it is building strong navy.

Tibetan is related language to Chinese, but not closely. It’s much more different from Chinese than, e.g., English & German, or English & Swedish, are from each other. The relationship between Tibetan & Chinese is more like that between English & Hindi, or English & Russian. Tibetan is generally thought to be more closely related to Burmese than to Chinese.

And by calling Egypt a ‘new country’, you prove your ignorance. As others have said, it has a longer history than China, & it has a sense of national identity dating back over 4500 years.

Egypt or Pakistan because those are new country. China have many thousand year history.
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Egypt has a longer history than China.

…….And I now understand why the rest of the world say they must contain China….

Exactly, if they had the military muscle to match their ambitiously absurd territorial claims there would be WWIII of that I have no doubt.

…….And I now understand why the rest of the world say they must contain China….

Nansha, Xisha, and huangyan is part of China in Han dynasty but other part of China part of other dynasty. Tibet is Chinese dynasty.. in China long history many Chinese dynasty exist outside main one. Tibet and Chinese have same origin. difference is same like East Germany and West Germany or when US was two country, two country but same nation. cannot bring in example of Egypt or Pakistan because those are new country. China have many thousand year history.

China navy has to do best to keep territory respected that is why it is building strong navy.

all island belong to china because of history. all countries want to fight china for the islands did not exist in history. the island belong to china since han dynasty!! no filipine in that time!!

Yeah, & everything from Egypt to Pakistan belongs to Greece – and Iran – and Iraq. And all of South-East Europe, all of North Africa except Morocco, Iraq, all of the Levant, & most of Arabia belongs to Turkey. And every country with a Mediterranean coastline, England, Wales, Belgium the Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, Bulgaria, Makedonia, Kosovo, Serbia, Romania, & much of Germany & Hungary belongs to Italy. And all of North Africa & SW Asia, & much of Central Asia, belongs to Saudi Arabia. And China, Russia, Korea, all of Central Asia & most of SW Asia belongs to Mongolia.

Can’t you see how idiotic what you say is?

do u remember our ancestor sail till madagascar, southern part of africa and then there is majapahit hegemony till kampuchea region and that pamalayu were our vassal ? must claim all that arent we ? 😀

Yeah, and don’t forgot Australian Northern Territory, based on Bugis Fisherman poaching habit in that area 200 years before Australia being created (heck they’re still doing it right now) 😀

Wanshan;Back to military/naval (aviation) topics and discussion pls?

Sorry can’t help it. When someone put their national claim based on long forgotten Dynastic issue, it’s hilarious in my book.

But You’re right back to to Naval Topics:
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=809487&publicationSubCategoryId=63

US: Weapons not included in warship
By Alexis Romero (The Philippine Star) Updated May 22, 2012 12:00

MANILA, Philippines – The United States did not give in to a request by the Philippines to include weapons and accessories in the second warship it will provide to the Philippine Navy.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said during an interview over radio dzRH that US Coast Guard ship Dallas would be similar to BRP Gregorio del Pilar, which had been stripped of its weapons system before it was turned over to the Philippines last year.

“Pareho lang ng del Pilar (The same with del Pilar),” Gazmin said when asked whether the US had granted the Philippines’ request to retain the armaments of Dallas.

I know it’s free of cost for Philippines getting those ex USCG Cutter. However do US need to strip bare those ships of weapons except for those Oto Mellara 76mm ?

Ooo well

Back to military/naval (aviation) topics and discussion pls?

Well, in that case People Republic have to relinquished 50% of China present territory, since basically that’s what Han Dynasty territory is 😀

dear ananda
do u remember our ancestor sail till madagascar, southern part of africa and then there is majapahit hegemony till kampuchea region and that pamalayu were our vassal ? must claim all that arent we ? 😀

all island belong to china because of history. all countries want to fight china for the islands did not exist in history. the island belong to china since han dynasty!! no filipine in that time!!

Well, in that case People Republic have to relinquished 50% of China present territory, since basically that’s what Han Dynasty territory is 😀

all island belong to china because of history. all countries want to fight china for the islands did not exist in history. the island belong to china since han dynasty!! no filipine in that time!!

Glad that you bring Han dynasty, just want to remind you that during that time Tibet did not belong to China…so I guess you still want your rock islands ?

I have to admit that I had originally thought that Tigershark’s post was a fairly accurate if overdone p***-take.

From looking at a few other posts I now realise you are all correct and it was for real.

Excellent