What will China’s future Aircraft Carriers look like? Will they be a Chinese Copies of the Russian Kuznetsov Class or a totally indigenous design? Any thoughts……………..Also, regardless of the type they must plan on a large ship in order to operate aircraft as large as the Su-33 Flanker! :rolleyes:
By: SOC - 21st November 2006 at 02:46
Per the warning in Post #52, that’s a week off for you, broncho.
By: AdmarilZhengHe - 21st November 2006 at 02:31
India, whenever they can, like French over Russian design. in ship, missile, airplane, etc. it is too bad French cost you many moneys.
By: SOC - 21st November 2006 at 02:30
I’m sure you have a factual argument to back up that statement and weren’t merely trolling, right?
By: Arabella-Cox - 21st November 2006 at 01:49
MiG-29K is not good option for new carrier. If our threat use Su-27 like Vietnam and Indonesia, then we need equal or better aircraft. But on good side Filipines have no aircraft.
India could pass the Mig-29K’s along to the IAF and purchase Super Hornets or Rafales for the Navy……………….. :rolleyes:
FLY NAVY 😎
By: AdmarilZhengHe - 20th November 2006 at 18:45
MiG-29K is not good option for new carrier. If our threat use Su-27 like Vietnam and Indonesia, then we need equal or better aircraft. But on good side Filipines have no aircraft.
By: SOC - 20th November 2006 at 15:29
Thread re-opened for now.
By: SOC - 17th November 2006 at 17:23
[color=red]Thread closed until I come back in to clean it out. This is a warning to everyone-if someone comes in and acts the fool, simply let me know and I can offer a permanent solution to that problem. Feeding the fire, so to speak, will only make you just as complicit as they are. Everyone understand? Good. The next issue from any of you will get you a week off. Then you’re on the “one and done” plan. PM me to rant.[/color]
By: chrishg - 17th November 2006 at 05:40
http://jczs.news.sina.com.cn/bbs/2006/1116/12139414.html
Links from CDF, detailing some rumors about a carrier engine presumably for Varyag.
By: SOC - 16th November 2006 at 04:20
I’m going to go through a lot of these this weekend and clean them up.
By: SOC - 14th November 2006 at 03:57
That, and the fact that their mythical floating casino is in a military facility at Dalian apparently being refurbished…
They bought the carrier, have messed with it for a few years, and now they want the airwing. Doesn’t take a genius to guess at where this is going.
By: Arabella-Cox - 14th November 2006 at 03:54
Alright we are drifting away from the main topic. Lets all get back to the chinese carriers and when they might make an appearance.
Really, we have few details other than China is purchasing Su-33’s and will contruct Aircraft Carriers in the future? :confused:
By: AdmarilZhengHe - 13th November 2006 at 23:45
Gents,
I think you may be missing something very fundamental in this debate. Aircraft Carriers are every bit as useful in defence as when tasked for offense.
We’ve seen the actions of the US 7th Fleet when sabers have been rattled across the Taiwan Straits. Now the warships of TF70 would be deployed MUCH less readily if they could be facing an encirclement scenario beween the anvil of PRC landbased tactical airpower and the hammer of a PLAN Carrier Airwing somewhere behind them.
A modest PLAN carrier and group would be unlikely, on its own, to be able to face down a fully dialled-in USN CVSG with full attachments, as a component of a combined sea/landbase-air defensive strategy though it would certainly raise the cost of operations in China’s maritime sphere of interest.
thankwo for bringing it back to topic. too bad there is much anti-Chinese feeling here that lead to other things by bad members.
yes it is useful to defend Chinese islands against country who keep violating ocean boundaries of China. Since there is not many air bases in South China Sea, a carrier make things easier to patrol islands with.
it be best if there can be a carrier version of JH-7 or J-10, but we maybe have to settle for Su-33 which is now getting old and obsolete. Do anyone know if China will make improved copy?
By: Jonesy - 13th November 2006 at 23:19
Gents,
I think you may be missing something very fundamental in this debate. Aircraft Carriers are every bit as useful in defence as when tasked for offense.
We’ve seen the actions of the US 7th Fleet when sabers have been rattled across the Taiwan Straits. Now the warships of TF70 would be deployed MUCH less readily if they could be facing an encirclement scenario beween the anvil of PRC landbased tactical airpower and the hammer of a PLAN Carrier Airwing somewhere behind them.
A modest PLAN carrier and group would be unlikely, on its own, to be able to face down a fully dialled-in USN CVSG with full attachments, as a component of a combined sea/landbase-air defensive strategy though it would certainly raise the cost of operations in China’s maritime sphere of interest.
By: broncho - 13th November 2006 at 22:41
Alright we are drifting away from the main topic. Lets all get back to the chinese carriers and when they might make an appearance.
By: Super Nimrod - 13th November 2006 at 07:56
Doesn’t Harland & Wolff in Belfast still have the worlds largest dry dock ? Not sure if they are building ships though now, possibly onlt repairing and doing Oil stuff
By: SOC - 13th November 2006 at 02:39
oh and why you bring US into it?
What? You mean you forgot about the massive US military presence on Okinawa? You think that if China tried to attack the island they’d sit there with flags raised saying “Don’t bomb here”?
By: Arabella-Cox - 13th November 2006 at 00:50
If, China does aquire Aircraft Carriers that will surely increase an Arms Race in the Region. Further, who is to say Japan, South Korea, and possibly Australia won’t counter with Carriers themself? This in turn could move other countries in Southeast Asia to move even closer to the US………………. :rolleyes: None of the above is in China’s Interests! DUMB MOVE 😮
By: hallo84 - 12th November 2006 at 23:39
Malaysia has a claim over the Spratleys too (they have Scorpenes)
Malaysian Scorpenes like much all all asian navies are white elephant trophies.
They hardly have the funds to puts these boats to sea. Where is the creditibility of Sub threat when you have a spotty crew and undermaintained arms?
Even well maintained navies like Taiwan still manage find difficulties in Sub operations and repeated failures in its weapons.
and no, the Spratleys issue is not resolved in the international court of justice yet, so China is as much an illegal occupier of the islands as any of the others. :rolleyes:
Purly anpathetical notions as the international court of justice have no jusistiction over any nation. If this is a bilateral issue it will be solved as such between the involved countries.
If the carrier is built to counter Vietnam and Philippines then this is pure stupidity – the PLAN doesn’t need a carrier to beat either of them. (Or are the PLAN’s new 052Cs, 052Bs and Sovremennys in your opinion so lousy that the PLAN needs an additional carrier to be useful against the fleets of Vietnam and Philippines? 😀 )
How far is Philippines or much of vietnam away form the chinese mainland?
How many chinese aircraft can ferry the journey with enough arms and still have enough loiter time?
Aircraft carrier insure a maintained presence in the South china sea and the ability maintain dominance is exactly what the destroyer lacks. Or do you intend to argue that Britain could have won the falklands without carriers since no Argentinian ship is on par with british destroyers?
By: AdmarilZhengHe - 12th November 2006 at 21:18
Malaysia has a claim over the Spratleys too (they have Scorpenes), and no, the Spratleys issue is not resolved in the international court of justice yet, so China is as much an illegal occupier of the islands as any of the others. :rolleyes:
If the carrier is built to counter Vietnam and Philippines then this is pure stupidity – the PLAN doesn’t need a carrier to beat either of them. (Or are the PLAN’s new 052Cs, 052Bs and Sovremennys in your opinion so lousy that the PLAN needs an additional carrier to be useful against the fleets of Vietnam and Philippines? 😀 )
Finally, Okinawa is Japanese territory. Try invading it and see America’s response. :rolleyes: :diablo:
oh and why you bring US into it? you just keep wanting to make scenario where the Chinese have to fight everyone because you are anti China. The US and China will not fight for a long time because business is key important! even if US and China decide to fight. China do not need to use military, all they need do is call in the big debt. China own alot of US money now.
The carrier is needed to provide air cover for ships, Vietnam now have Su-27 that can reach spratley now so ships need very good protection. US ships are good, so from what you say, they do not need a carrier to go around with them then? :rolleyes: your logic do not make sense.
Also Okinawa use to be long to China. You can go on the island and see yourself the Chinese influence. Japan conquer Okinawa.
By: Raygun - 11th November 2006 at 03:24
Well, so does China have a slip big enough for an enlarged Aircraft Carrier of the Kuznetsov/Varyag Design??? :rolleyes:
shanghai is building the world biggest dry dock should be completed sometime 2008 or 2009. if any carriers are to be built it will be in shanghai.
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