Chinese HQ-16 (LY-80) Surface to Air Missile System

Cold launchers are reusable tubes.

Whats the reasoning behind the land based version being cold-launched?

I think it’s due to the position of launchers… there’s no space between them and the ground so extremely hot exaust gas could damage the vehicle and its wheels.

Whats the reasoning behind the land based version being cold-launched?

Most likely due to the lighter wieght steel and other materials used for the land based varient canisters, which can not withstand the hot exhaust gases. The use of lighter materials makes it easier to transport on land. No such issues with the naval varient. Just my guess.

Yes, the original naval version of HQ16 is hot-launch.

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Whats the reasoning behind the land based version being cold-launched?

Yes, the original naval version of HQ16 is hot-launch.

Is there a connection between the SY-400 and HQ-16? The similarities in appearance and size are a bit striking.

I heard a theory that maybe the SY-400 is a land attack version of the HQ-16 not too unlike land-attack Standard missile?

Possible. Is the manufacturer the same? It would be a good example to illustrate why SAMs are (IIRC) subject to MTCR restrictions, the French Hades is another (compare it to the 48N6…).

The HQ-16 is a lic produce or joint devel of BUK-M1-2 and has a range of 40 Km , the Chinese have made a VLS version of it , AFAIK it is a SARH missile like any BUK variant is.

Thanks guys

How does it compared to the Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) in term of performance, especially against the super sonic missiles?

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Is there a connection between the SY-400 and HQ-16? The similarities in appearance and size are a bit striking.

I heard a theory that maybe the SY-400 is a land attack version of the HQ-16 not too unlike land-attack Standard missile?

Yep,

Land version is cold launched and naval version is hot launched.

because they want a common VLS for SAM/ASW missiles on their frigates.

the strange thing is, in this photo, the HHQ-16 appears to be hot-launched from the 891 test ship unlike the land version

I think this is a joint-venture product with Russia. Here is a picture of Russian developing a VLS Buk in 2000s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quxhj0bwcj8&feature=player_embedded

as far as i could see from the few images, hq16 on 054a is hot launched. the army air defense variant does seem to be cold launched.

There are some similarities with the RIM-66 – Link, but I’d go with the 9M38 (appearance wise)

Agree, but IMHO only insofar as the 9M38M closely resembles the RIM-66 anyway, the constant diameter front section which the Chinese put on their missile just adds to the impression.

http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL085/upload/2007/06/9M38M1%20Missile.jpg

http://www.ausairpower.net/9M38M1-Buk-M1-Gadfly-Round-1S.jpg

Semi-OT: A nice video showing 9M317Ms making mincemeat of low flying (sea skimming?) AShM targets and tests of the VL version (cold launched like its Chinese counterpart, though it being Russian, that is perhaps not surprising).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quxhj0bwcj8

The figures I cited came from a professional acquaintance of mine who had been briefed on the programme by Aerospace Long March International (ALIT), who are responsible for marketing the system internationally.

Not all defence topics are covered by published brochures, or publicly-available internet websites. And one man’s idea of a ‘respected publication’ may be another’s idea of an unreliable source. But if you have access to the Jane’s and/or Aviation Week websites, the details I gave are probably available there, perhaps with further information.

so basically, there are still no official figures given on the hq16? None of those links are really reputable sources, nor do they cite their own sources.

This photo/Link is from from IDEF’11 Link

Unfortunately you can’t see the specs. Here is another but this is not whether the specs are from the manufacturer – Link

i’d appreciate a respected publication, link to a maker’s website or at least a photograph of an official brochure that corroborates the given info on the hq16.

Thanks. Having rummaged round a bit, the longer strakes remind me a lot of the older 9M38M1 which preceeded the 9M317 as the missile for the Buk SAM system, so that might have formed the basis for these Chinese designs.

It is much closer in appearance to the 9M38 than the 9M317 – Link

There are some similarities with the RIM-66 – Link, but I’d go with the 9M38 (appearance wise)

Thanks. Having rummaged round a bit, the longer strakes remind me a lot of the older 9M38M1 which preceeded the 9M317 as the missile for the Buk SAM system, so that might have formed the basis for these Chinese designs.

Would it be correct to think of this as a land-based version of the VL SAM on the Type 054A frigates?

This seems to be generally accepted.