Chinese Missile that Stuck Israeli warship

correct me,something like 16 USN crews were killed when C. perry class frigate was hit by iraqi exocet missiles.during naval exercise in the aegean sea between turkish navy and USN,sinle sea sparrow (with 88 lbs of warhead) accidentaly struck the turkish destroyer resulting something like 12 death ,with the entire captain bridge damage.
Most of Israel death were crew standing at helicopter deck

Dear Member,

You are correct in your numbers for the USS Stark (Perry Class frigate of 3500 tons) and the Turkish Summer class (post WW2 late 1940s destroyer) was struck by an accidental firing of a Sea Sparrow. But there is one big difference: The Stark almost sank with a major loss of life. The number of dead was lower by sheer luck but the wounded was horrible. It was only through the heroic effort (hardly known to many) of the crew where one sailor was found at the water valves dead preventing the Standard magazine from exploding. The Turkish destroyer on the other hand had a higher death toll because the Sea Sparrow made the luckiest shot it could and hit the bridge area. About the only area that a continous rod anti-air warhead could have done major damage — the warhead is heavy because of that type of warhead. The Turkish destroyer was never in danger of sinking with a major loss of life.

Jack E. Hammond

Probably they meant false alarms from friendly missiles/shells being fired at beirut that may be misintrepted as enemy missiles.

They weren’t completely turned off, they just weren’t fully activated. At least this is what the Janes report said. If you have Janes subscription
http://jdw.janes.com/public/jdw/index.shtml
It says Barak wasn’t fully activated. For some reason, the CIWS, ECM suite and other systems couldn’t handle it either.

also, another issue was that it was shot from a really short distance, so the ship may not have had time to react.

Why would you turn off a “missile defense system” in order not to hit friendlies?

Are friendlies allowed to shoot missiles at your ship?

Probably they meant false alarms from friendly missiles/shells being fired at beirut that may be misintrepted as enemy missiles.

Why would you turn off a “missile defense system” in order not to hit friendlies?

Are friendlies allowed to shoot missiles at your ship?

Dear Member,

That should have been the first clue to us members who have covered military affairs for over 20 years (I have written two articles on ASM one on the Otomat and the other on Sea Skua). The C-801-802 ASM are in the Exocet and Harpoon class. Remember what the Exocet did to larger British warships in the Falklands and the USS Stark in the Persian Gulf. I mean even if it did not sink a much smaller corvette it should have killed a large number of the crew and left the ship burning like hell.

Jack E. Hammond

correct me,something like 16 USN crews were killed when C. perry class frigate was hit by iraqi exocet missiles.during naval exercise in the aegean sea between turkish navy and USN,sinle sea sparrow (with 88 lbs of warhead) accidentaly struck the turkish destroyer resulting something like 12 death ,with the entire captain bridge damage.
Most of Israel death were crew standing at helicopter deck

The Barak system was switched off to avoid hitting friendlies,

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3276179,00.html

Everyone needs to wait for the dust to settle people are using this tragedy as way to promote their agenda. Remember back in iraq war when US army’s APCs and M1s were destroyed Senior Pentagon personnel were saying that they were due to New gen russian Anti tank missiles (Konkurs etc) that saddam had acquired. Didn’t Rumsfield even accuse russia of supplying these weapons in press conference when US offensive was getting bottled down in the south. Later on they turned out to be due to IEDs and RPGs. I suspect the missile was most likely an ATM launched from a boat.

Is it even the C-802?

I would’ve thought a single C-802 would cripple if not sink a frigate class ship with 165 kg of HE warhead…

Dear Member,

That should have been the first clue to us members who have covered military affairs for over 20 years (I have written two articles on ASM one on the Otomat and the other on Sea Skua). The C-801-802 ASM are in the Exocet and Harpoon class. Remember what the Exocet did to larger British warships in the Falklands and the USS Stark in the Persian Gulf. I mean even if it did not sink a much smaller corvette it should have killed a large number of the crew and left the ship burning like hell.

Jack E. Hammond

An Israeli officer told the Chinese official press that it was an Iranian built version of the C-802 that hit its naval vessel.

http://english.people.com.cn/200607/16/eng20060716_283531.html

most anti ship missiles are all armour piercing,but the damage inflicted on the saar class corvette small like being hit by small HE round.
according to La Times,the ship was hit by small remote control aircraft armed with small amount of explosive.

‘the system was off’ means the airdefense system was not fine hair triggered to respond without human attention. It is very naive to believe the air-defense system of an israelis warship was turned off when cruising in hostile water. IMO, it means the detection system was definitely on, just firing the missiles and guns require al least button pushing.

Wouldn’t be the first time something got hit when its defenses were off. I’ll wait for more info if we ever find out.

did the Israel navy personnel shut down ESM/ECM due to heavy civilian RF traffic along the coast?same happen to US navy ship hit by iraqi exocet missile.killing something like 35 crews,investigation by the pentagon discover that ship shut down her SLQ-32 ESM system due to overwhelming civilian RF traffic,resulting false alarm.

Another two Chinese made AShM owned by Iran. C802 and old “Silkworm” with 165 kg and 500kg of HE warhead respectively.

1. C802. Notice the air intake for turbojet engine

2. Silkworm

May be this one:”Kosar” , a small and agile AShM based on Chinese Hongdu TL-6B

TL6B and TL10A in Zhuhai Airshow 2004

CNN and Fox news also reported that the missile that hit the Israeli corvette is an Iranian produced C-102 missile.

Fox News had animation and stats on the three missiles in Hezbollahs inventory.
1) C-102 anti-ship missile
2) C-802 anti-ship missile
3) Shahab-3 ballistic miisile.
Fox News then went over Hezbollah’s rocket inventory.

This is the first time I have ever heard of the C-102 missile!

That is really bizarre. There is no C-102.

The smaller C-701 is a possibilty as discussed earlier. The C-201 is a Styx-based AShM and it and its related classes are what the West normally call a “Silkworm.”

The C-80X series are harpoon-type weapons (surface-skimming and pop up terminal phases) known to NATO designation as “Saccade.”

I don’t think you could rule out the C-802 based on the damage. Proximity fuzes on all AShMs make for possibility of near, not just direct, hits.

An Israeli officer told the Chinese official press that it was an Iranian built version of the C-802 that hit its naval vessel.

http://english.people.com.cn/200607/16/eng20060716_283531.html

Damaged Israeli warship hit by missile made in Iran

Damaged Israeli warship deployed off Lebanese coast was hit by missile which was made in Iran, said an high ranking Israel Defense Forces officer.

The missile, type C-802, is radar guided, with an range of 60 miles, the officer told Xinhua.

Previously, the army confirmed that one soldier on board the attacked vessel was killed while his body was found in the water, but the other three soldiers were still missing.

The military are attempting to locate the rest three missing sailors and has informed their respective families of the events.

Four sailors from an Israeli warship got missing Friday night, after the vessel was hit by a projectile launched by Lebanese Hizbollah, according to the Israeli military.

The military confirmed on Friday night that one of its navy ship deployed off Lebanon coast was hit by a rocket, and the attack caused damage to the vessel.

Lebanese ANB television also reported that Hizbollah pounded an Israeli gunboat with rocket Friday night, adding that the vessel was sinking.

Source: Xinhua

Guys, Think how a terrorist thinks, You have a success, its in your interest to ‘leak’ that it is a new capability that you have, so you also invent a new name or code number that gets passed unofficially to the press who may misquote it. That way it gives you two advantages. 1/ You cover up your source for the weapon (or hope to) 2/ It gets the inteligence dept of the country you just attacked in trouble with their political bosses as they haven’t told the politicos that a/ you have missiles and b/ that you can produce your own missiles which would be a major intelligence failing (even if you used someone elses). Result you look good with your supporters, and they look out of touch and confused,

It strikes me that there is a lot of disinformation and spin flying about here, some of which is certain to have been planted.

There’s a limit to how stealthy you can make an object as a large as a ship, especially if you’re not keen on spending insane amounts of money.

So instead, the stealth features used on the Sa’ar 5 ships (and others, like Germany’s MEKOs) are not to make them invisible, but rather to decrease the range at which they are easily detectable. So if, for example, a non-stealthy ship of the same size can be detected and identified at 200km by radar X, the stealth features might reduce that detection range to around 100km or less, giving the ship an advantage it wouldn’t otherwise have.

But if your ship is as close to the enemy radar as the Israeli ship was (not more than a few dozen miles), that stealth construction isn’t going to help at all and you can be hit by any anti-ship missile. Hence self-defence systems like the Barak.

So much for “stealthy” Israeli ships though lol.. If this thing could find that ship (from a bunch of guys on the shore firing it) god help Israel if anyone serious ever attacks their Navy..

If something like the SS-N-22 Sunburn was used, ouch.. :rolleyes:

‘the system was off’ means the airdefense system was not fine hair triggered to respond without human attention. It is very naive to believe the air-defense system of an israelis warship was turned off when cruising in hostile water. IMO, it means the detection system was definitely on, just firing the missiles and guns require al least button pushing.

dopes!

there is the C-201 seersuckers but no C-102 notice 102 is backward is 201 maybe they looking at the telepromter in a mirror