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Cockpits

I do not mean to insult anybody by writing this, but I’ve been wondering for some time now what is so special about cockpit restorations?? I was leafing through a fairly new Flypast the other day and there was an article about the Newwark (spelling???) cockpit fest, where people came to show of their restored cockpits. Somehow this all looked rather sad to me. It really looked like somekind of a head-hunter show, where you could see only the heads of once warriors. Maybe this is a cruel verdict, coming from someone that is not brought up in the preservation movement in the UK. By looking at only the cockpit of an aircraft, I feel like I get very limited insight into what this aircraft was all about, how did it look, and how big was it, just to name a few points. Why not preserve the whole airframe??? As I understand this hobby a lot of the cockpits come from the scrap-man, so why is it not possible to get the whole airframe from there, paying scrap value by the pound of metal. Once bought, the airframe needs to be sealed to prevent moisture from getting inside (fairly easy with todays eqipment and materials, I think) and from then on it needs a repainting every, lets say, three years. In that way you would have a cockpit plus an airframe, and can spend your time restoring the cockpit at your leasure, and when that is finished you can start adding bits and bobs to the airframe if needed. Is this a very naive thinking??? Maybe somebody can give me an insight into this hobby here, and correct me if this is terribly naive.
Like I said before, it is not my intention to insult anybody, but this hobby just looks a bit strange when looked at from my side of the pond. And by the way Iยดm restoring an aircraft my self, so I know perfectly well how time consuming it is, so that is not an excuse for my ignorance.

Regards,
Galdri

P.S. When the Sovets wanted to preserve Lenin for future generations, they preserved him as a whole, not just the head;-)

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By: Fouga23 - 12th June 2012 at 14:01

Also many pictures here:

http://www.cockpitfest.co.uk/

And it depends. Some restore to factory fresh condition, some like the slightly used look ๐Ÿ™‚

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By: Black Knight - 12th June 2012 at 12:20

Thanks twin otter

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By: TwinOtter23 - 12th June 2012 at 12:13

I’m over my photo limit on here, but there are a couple of albums in this web gallery from last year’s event http://www.newarkairmuseum.org/gallery.php ๐Ÿ™‚

A similar set will no doubt appear after the weekend of the 2012 ‘gathering’. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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By: Arabella-Cox - 2nd October 2010 at 07:37

An Albermarle is an oddball idea – any pics or details of the frames recovered?

I know Jon H has photo’s, but a few pertinent threads here (there may be others), one of which has a photo…

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=88260

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=82987

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=66800

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=36865

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By: Nashio966 - 1st October 2010 at 23:35

If you would like more on WR985 Give me a PM

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By: Johnny Kavanagh - 1st October 2010 at 23:30

I know little about the Long Marston Shack and it’s situation – I was merely thinking that aside from Cyprus, there are no other Shacks in danger at the moment. I’ll pm Camlobe anyway – won’t do any harm to say hello to a fellow Shack nut.

An Albermarle is an oddball idea – any pics or details of the frames recovered?

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By: Olympus - 1st October 2010 at 21:17

Are we purely speculating about the fate of the Long Marston Shack or is its disposal/fate presently up for discussion and its present location and completness about to change ?

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By: Arabella-Cox - 1st October 2010 at 15:03

…. I’d rather build something older and extinct, and it would probably be a Botha… What else can you suggest for a scratch build?

Just a thought… what’s the latest on the ex-Bacup Albemarle cockpit frames owned by a Mr D.Stansfield, Burnley ?

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By: WV-903. - 1st October 2010 at 14:28

WL-756

Hi Johnny,
Would be very surprised if Camlobe parted with that Shack nose, he’s an EX-RAF Shack Engineer, is very enthusiastic about it and just loves em still.

Bill T.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 1st October 2010 at 13:36

Sorry to wade in, as he says, WL756 (bottom right) is the best candidate short term.

The Shack’ Associations VP293 has been well discussed recently, and the example at Helston is firmly encased in their building (and isn’t for disposal anyway i believe ?).

As you say Bob, that might, just might… leave WR985 (bottom left) if you can get your foot in the door early on. Best of luck….

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By: Johnny Kavanagh - 1st October 2010 at 13:20

Tropic Thunder – a valid point, and well raised. I am a volunteer at the museum at Dumfries where we have 2 JP’s, 2 Canberra cockpits, a Hunter, and have had a Chipmunk and a Vampire (similar construction to a Venom, and beyond my woodwork skills) in the past. I can (and do) get my fill of these and others during my time volunteering there, so for a privately owned project to keep at home a bit of a change would be nice! The Delfin is not my thing and is quite complete and in good condition anyway, and Jon’s Sea Hawk is much the same – very tempting, but probably beyond my budget.

A Shack is the dream project (a tentative pm may well be sent) but there is little hope of finding any apart from Long Marston, and I’m not sure what the situation is there. So the search goes on – even if, as you accurately point out, I don’t actually know what I’m searching for…

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By: Tropic Thunder - 1st October 2010 at 07:34

i find it bemusing that even johnny does not know what he wants

jp hunter seahawk canberra chipmunk venom delfin,all discounted as if they are common as apples on trees

only other shackelton cockpit is WL756 owned by this forums Camlobe i believe? perhaps you should pm him an offer johnny?

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By: Johnny Kavanagh - 1st October 2010 at 01:28

Thanks for the suggestions guys, but to be honest neither JP’s or Canberras set me on fire – I can spend as much time as I like on 2 complete JP’s and 2 Canberra cockpits at the museum (less than a mile from my house), and would rather have a bit of a change! Shack is my first choice (have you checked your sofa yet?!), but fifties jet-ish is decidedly more likely, so please do keep the suggestions coming!

I had toyed with the idea of building from scratch (inspired by Cees Broere), but not sure I would build something which exists already. If I go that way I’d rather build something older and extinct, and it would probably be a Botha – very strong local links, thousands flew (and hundreds died) in them but none are left. However, drawings are the key, and I don’t know if they have survived. What else can you suggest for a scratch build?

JK (The picky sod!)

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By: Fouga23 - 30th September 2010 at 18:44

we have an unrestored JP cockpit that is in need of TLC, i

Any pictures?

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By: Ross_McNeill - 30th September 2010 at 15:19

As I said on the Ebay thread..

The lot also contains a NOS unfitted canopy which the vendor sourced seperate to the original purchase and various other fittings.

Look at it as cockpit starter kit with added value.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 30th September 2010 at 14:50

that’s a lot of money for a stripped shell of a canberra, you’d be spending the same again over and over just to equip it

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By: Arabella-Cox - 30th September 2010 at 13:17

What about CANBERRA PR9 XH174 COCKPIT SECTION on E-Bay?

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By: Arabella-Cox - 30th September 2010 at 10:18

contact dave thomas at phoenix aviation museum bruntingthorpe as we have an unrestored JP cockpit that is in need of TLC, i’m sure he’s had a few offers but it hasn’t sold yet, we believe it was a pre production JP that was used on cold weather trials as it’s build number is very early and is earlier than any other previously recorded JP if you PM me i’ll get his contact details

it is also placed on a basic trailer at the mo so you might get that included although it isn’t bolted down yet

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By: Firebex - 30th September 2010 at 00:45

I understand the Delfin has been bought and is under restoration.

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By: richw_82 - 28th September 2010 at 22:59

PS – Could everyone please check down the back of their sofa for any Shackleton cockpits…..

If you fancy starting from scratch, I know where all the drawings are… for 1, 2 and 3.

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