Colour footage of the B o B dogfight contrails

got it ok, thanks chaps 🙂

Alex

To save all that mullarkey purely by chance I found it here (don’t ask me “I know nothing” 😉 )

http://rapidshare.de/files/1762773/BoBcolour.wmv.html

Click the link, go to the bottom of the page and select free download, wait for the download ticket then right click and save.
Shhhhhhhhhh 😮

😀 WHIZZO 😀 Sniffed to perfection !

Open it in HiDownload with W Media Player and then save it to where you want from the file menu, many thank’s Skyrader, you are todays top banana 🙂

Glad you posted the mms link as the page has now moved on the bbc website.
It seems to be working, I’ll let you know in a minute or two.

To get the BBC movie, start URL helper. Select your network card and enable sniffing. Then open the BBC website with the movie and let the movie play. URL Helper will “snif” the WMV file (the movie) at the end, then right-click it and download with HiDownload. It’s about 5 mb.
Alternatively, let HiDownload download this link:
mms://212.58.224.52/news/media/news_web/video/41144000/bb/41144739_bb_16x9.wmv
Simply install HiDownload and right-click to download this link 🙂 (“download by HiDownload”)

Let me know if you guys managed 🙂

Real contrails might not be possible, but the Red Arrows (and many thousands of others) have been producing artificial ones for – well a long time anyway – by the simple expedient of using diesel smoke generators.

It might not be a perfect, but it might suffice.

Contrail formation is all to do with temperature and humidity, we all know that the higher you go the colder it gets but the humidity levels do not change in a similar linear fashion and can be in bands of higher and lower percentages as an aircraft climbs or decends (ask a GA pilot about carburettor icing)

Not only is it a question of the surrounding atmosphere, as this a weather phenomenon the height at which contrails form varies from day to day,
but also the temperature and humidity of what the engine is blowing out.
(this is also altered to some small degree by what it sucks in)

There is a good explanation of the theory on this link plus to proove the point about engine breath a remarkable photograph of an Airbus and a 707 flying side by side, one making contrails the other not !

http://www.af.mil/environment/contrails_contrail.asp

Lovely photos,what height did they have to get to to get the contrails.

I think it’s variable but don’t ask me why.

Skyraider,

Thanks for that.

I downloaded the first and your edit extra. Still not sure how I link this to the bit of video on the BBC page.

Mark

Thank’s, I have downloaded the programmes too.
I think I can see roughly what it is meant to do but for the life of me I can’t get it to work….. so how do you get it to do it’s stuff ?
Phil.

I have it on tape from last evening and I now see it on the BBC website.

Can anybody tell me if it is possible to save the clip from the website to my PC?

The programme certainly triggered a memory for me.

They showed all the ‘black out’ screens being thrown out after VE day. These were wooden frames covered with thick black paper and stapled on. They would be put in all window apertures at dusk to prevent enemy intruders from seeing built up areas for navigation.

At the end of WWII I remember my father and uncle holding these up, one at a time, for me to dutifully ‘burst’ through with much joy.

Put your calculator away HP57/Cees, I’m 13 years younger than Ray Hanna. 🙂

Mark

:p 🙂

Its is, using special software. You can download one here:
http://www.soft32.com/download-URL_Helper-79160-5.html (for finding the exact link)
http://www.streamingstar.com/hidownload/index.htm (for downloading it)

Skyraider,

Thanks for that.

I downloaded the first and your edit extra. Still not sure how I link this to the bit of video on the BBC page.

Mark

Trumper, think again! 😎
http://www.aviationautographs.com/Contrail%20Page.htm
How cool is that!?!?! 😀
Good inspiration for my Mustang artwork too!

Lovely photos,what height did they have to get to to get the contrails.
I would say in the UK they may have a problem getting airspace,after all getting the Red Arrows the airspace for a full display at Duxford is sometimes difficult.

Can anybody tell me if it is possible to save the clip from the website to my PC?

Its is, using special software. You can download one here:
http://www.soft32.com/download-URL_Helper-79160-5.html (for finding the exact link)
http://www.streamingstar.com/hidownload/index.htm (for downloading it)

I don’t suppose a warbird will ever make contrails again,the sheer scale of all the contrails at the end of the clip paints a dangerous but haunting picture on the blue sky.
We don’t take any notice of the contrails now,that must’ve been a frightening and awesome sight for those people witnessing it for the first time.

Trumper, think again! 😎
http://www.aviationautographs.com/Contrail%20Page.htm
How cool is that!?!?! 😀
Good inspiration for my Mustang artwork too!

Watching the footage it did set the mind wandering about whether it would be possible to reenact such a sight (I guess the crowded skies over Duxford, and just about any other venue, would preclude it) for a ‘warbird’ show in proper context.

Just imagine it, a ‘balbo’ of fighters starting in a high level dogfight, possibly with the aircraft getting prgressively lower as the battle progresses…

…I suppose it also rather depends on a nice clear day, so it could hardly be promoted as an attraction for a show!

How dependent on atmospheric conditions would the production of contrails from piston engines be?

There is the little question of Oxygen.

Mark

It’s up on the BBC news website
http://news.bbc.co.uk/#

I have it on tape from last evening and I now see it on the BBC website.

Can anybody tell me if it is possible to save the clip from the website to my PC?

The programme certainly triggered a memory for me.

They showed all the ‘black out’ screens being thrown out after VE day. These were wooden frames covered with thick black paper and stapled on. They would be put in all window apertures at dusk to prevent enemy intruders from seeing built up areas for navigation.

At the end of WWII I remember my father and uncle holding these up, one at a time, for me to dutifully ‘burst’ through with much joy.

Put your calculator away HP57/Cees, I’m 13 years younger than Ray Hanna. 🙂

Mark

Watching the footage it did set the mind wandering about whether it would be possible to reenact such a sight (I guess the crowded skies over Duxford, and just about any other venue, would preclude it) for a ‘warbird’ show in proper context.

Just imagine it, a ‘balbo’ of fighters starting in a high level dogfight, possibly with the aircraft getting prgressively lower as the battle progresses…

…I suppose it also rather depends on a nice clear day, so it could hardly be promoted as an attraction for a show!

How dependent on atmospheric conditions would the production of contrails from piston engines be?

I don’t suppose a warbird will ever make contrails again,the sheer scale of all the contrails at the end of the clip paints a dangerous but haunting picture on the blue sky.
We don’t take any notice of the contrails now,that must’ve been a frightening and awesome sight for those people witnessing it for the first time.

It’s up on the BBC news website
http://news.bbc.co.uk/#

any chance that one of u chaps recorded it and can turn it into an avi?

Alex