August 27, 2004 at 11:42 pm
in terms of operating costs and adaptability to climatic weather (i.e regions that are near or within the arctic circle?
By: Bmused55 - 2nd September 2004 at 08:15
I don’t which one is the best (because it mainly rely on which criteria) but I know the one I like the most: MD11-F .
It seems that’s it one of the favorite type of the cargo operator as well.By the way , didn’t MDD (ooops sorry Boeing) have some project to convert the C17 into a freighter?
The MD-11 is indeed a favourite with the Freight Haulers. Fed Ex don’t seem to be able to get enough of them. It may be a failure as a pax aicraft but it makes a heck of a cargo plane.
By: Hand87_5 - 2nd September 2004 at 08:13
I don’t which one is the best (because it mainly rely on which criteria) but I know the one I like the most: MD11-F .
It seems that’s it one of the favorite type of the cargo operator as well.
By the way , didn’t MDD (ooops sorry Boeing) have some project to convert the C17 into a freighter?
By: Bmused55 - 2nd September 2004 at 07:55
The 737 is approved for operating on gravel strips. The Canadians have been doing it for years up in their Northern territories….and I think an airline in Alaska also operated off gravel. There is an STC for the gravel mod kit and it was available from the factory..at least for -200 models.
Thats gravel. I am more than aware of the 737’s capabilities. Such models had a special vortex fence on the engines cowlings leading edge to help prevent the intake of gravel into the engines. The Nose gear also had a special deflector.
What I am talking about is a runway that is not on Terra firma. It is merely a strip of semi level ice bulldozed or in some cases hand dug with shovels on top of an ice glacier in the antarctic or arctic.
Such a runways in incredibly rough. I have only ever known props to use them.
Its possible a 737-200 could land on it, but I don’t think it could stop in time due to the speed.
By: John Boyle - 1st September 2004 at 23:31
I’d like to see a 737 landing on an ice runway.
By that I mean a runway which is actualy nothing more than a crude runway, bulldozed on top of a glacier! That would rip a 737 apart!
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The 737 is approved for operating on gravel strips. The Canadians have been doing it for years up in their Northern territories….and I think an airline in Alaska also operated off gravel. There is an STC for the gravel mod kit and it was available from the factory..at least for -200 models.
By: wysiwyg - 1st September 2004 at 23:11
All aircraft go through cold weather ops as part of their certification so it doesn’t particularly affect the decision as to which is best. What are the real criteria? If you’re looking for an aircraft that can haul 10 tonne loads out of short fields then an AN-124 isn’t for you. If you’re after hauling oversize items you might want something bigger than an SD360.
By: Grey Area - 30th August 2004 at 20:53
UPS have quite a lot of 757 freighters, Jeanske_SN.
More than 60, in fact. 😉
By: Jeanske_SN - 30th August 2004 at 20:45
The only airline I can think of using the 757-200Freighter is DHL. Do you know others? What about the 767-300Freighter?
By: beistrich - 30th August 2004 at 20:16
Keep in mind I stated that it has to operate from a very cold climate.
WHere I am from it can get very cold and sometimes the ports freezing.
How cold?
By: F-18 Hamburger - 30th August 2004 at 19:11
If it was as simple as a statement of ‘which is the best’ then only one type would ever be sold. Impossible question as every operation has different requirements.
Keep in mind I stated that it has to operate from a very cold climate.
WHere I am from it can get very cold and sometimes the ports freezing.
By: Bmused55 - 29th August 2004 at 16:48
If it was as simple as a statement of ‘which is the best’ then only one type would ever be sold. Impossible question as every operation has different requirements.
them there then words that failed me
By: wysiwyg - 29th August 2004 at 16:35
If it was as simple as a statement of ‘which is the best’ then only one type would ever be sold. Impossible question as every operation has different requirements.
By: A225HVY - 28th August 2004 at 19:50
I know
Its clear nobody borrow a An-225 for a parcel
Depends how big your parcel is 😀
Myira
By: beistrich - 28th August 2004 at 19:30
I know
Its clear nobody borrow a An-225 for a parcel
By: Bmused55 - 28th August 2004 at 19:19
[QUOTE=beistrich]
The russian AN-124/225 are extreme heavyweight, but they are less efficent in temrs of fuel, but more than make up the fuel-burn in terms of time. Those aircraft are also capable of landing on grass and such like and such, very vertistile.
Yeah the An-124/225 are cheap. You borrow them for 1 or 2 flights and they can carry everthing. Nice planes
The An124 and 225 realy only pay when you are transporting outsized loads or a lot of cargo all at once.
They are massive “gas guzzlers” If you can fit your cargo in an A310 or a 747, do so. The An124/225 are special ops freighters in a sense.
By: beistrich - 28th August 2004 at 19:15
[QUOTE=Matthew Murray]The russian AN-124/225 are extreme heavyweight, but they are less efficent in temrs of fuel, but more than make up the fuel-burn in terms of time. Those aircraft are also capable of landing on grass and such like and such, very vertistile.
Yeah the An-124/225 are cheap. You borrow them for 1 or 2 flights and they can carry everthing. Nice planes
By: Ren Frew - 28th August 2004 at 19:10
It has to be the C-130? You don’t even to land the thing, just get four big lads to chuck the load out the back on a pallet with a parachute to soften the landing ! (lol) 😀
How efficient is that, like doing a paper round without getting off your bike.
By: WACHENR0DER - 28th August 2004 at 19:07
Here’s a picture of Boeing sending their 777-300ER to Yakutsk Airport, the coldest city in Russia and the world

There were also pics of An-72 being used for North Pole tours.
By: Bmused55 - 28th August 2004 at 19:05
lol
The A300/A310 not as effizent as the Dc8/727? NonsenseWell and there many A300F out there
I didn’t say that
I said there are not nearly as many A300 and A310 in cargo configuration as there are 727’s and DC-8’s
By: Whiskey Delta - 28th August 2004 at 16:08
How many C-130 civilian aircraft are their going about?
From what I’ve found online there are 118 L-100’s worldwide which doesn’t include any C-130’s that are operated commercially.
By: Whiskey Delta - 28th August 2004 at 15:21
Hey, I’m championing the turboprop too you know 😉
Oops, missed your last post. 🙂