Controversial Topic-United 93 Crashed Or Shot

Let me start by saying I have no time whatsoever for “conspiracy theories!” 😀

I have been studying the available evidence (including those links supplied by Creaking Door), and my opinions haven’t changed!

My belief is that the aircraft crashed out-of-control after an attempt by the passengers to retake the ‘plane. Whether or not the hijackers crashed it deliberately (when they realised they had little chance against those passengers) is still a matter of conjecture and will continue to be so until the FBI release the CVR recording.
This recording is still that vital, missing piece of evidence. Until that tape is released, unfortunately these wild & wacky theories will continue to circulate.

Don

I think there are three conspiracies…..that make a lot more logical sense.

More logical sense than what exactly?

1) The Plane was shot down.

So you think the most logical is that it was shot down?

First of all try reading this list of those killed on flight United 93, it is easy to do, you just click on their names and the link will tell you who they were and in most cases the names of their spouse, children, siblings and parents. There are only forty so it shouldn’t take you too long.

http://www.sep11memories.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks:_plane_passengers

The next thing I did was to list all the evidence that you had that the aircraft was shot-down:

– The aircraft crashed.

– Some ‘wreckage’ (pieces of paper / insulation) was reported to have been found nine or ten miles from the crash site.

Then I read this account and tried to find anything that couldn’t be explained by the theory of the aircraft being shot-down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93

Give it a try and let me know how you got on.

Creaking door i edited it to conspiracies are allowed to see if anyone on these forums wants to openly discuss their theories if they have them.

Also if (and I say if very cautiously) the 757 did break-up in the air, is it not possible that the break-up was caused as a result of the purely mechanical, gravitational and aerodynamic forces imposed on the aircraft during a loss of control following a struggle in the cockpit?

What do you think?

I think there are three conspiracies out there if not more but 3 that make a lot more logical sense

1) The Plane was shot down. Now I know that the American Air Force wasn’t able to make it to New York but could it be possible that they made it from the Atlantic Ocean (yes that is where they were sent to, again was that just in the chaos of events) to near Washington and shoot the plane down. Again as you say Creaking Door it was spread over 9 Mile on the Road but how come the wreckage was spread only 1 mile . Makes you think. Who got there First FBI, Goverment Agents or the actualy inocent Public, Fire men along with police and NTSB.

2) The plane,as is said in your quoted post by myself,did infact break up during flight. This is another possibility, it did a rapid and I mean rapid descent from I think around somewhere in the 30,000 FT mark to about somewhere in the 20,000FT or even lower in around two minutes. That is a pretty rapid descent and only one you would see a Professional perform in a Emergency. This could possibly lead to the break up with all the stress that it was under.

3) The Plane, as said in the report, Crashed. But as you have said in the post how did they manage to get through the cockpit door and what went on during the attempted take over of the plane by civilians. Are we 100% sure that is was terrorists flying the plane when it crashed. Could it be that they had regained control but because the plane was soo out of control it crashed.

In your original post you said something like “There is no way that I want this to become a conspiracy theory subject” which is why my original post starts the way that it does.

Why did you edit that line out; do you now want this thread to become such a subject? Just curious. 🙂

[Also, why does the ‘Last edited by…’ hyperlink not work on General Discussion? Anybody?]

Anyway back to the conspiracy theories:

I saw something on TV the other day that suggested that the distances that the wreckage was spread that conspiracy theorist use in there theories were based on PC ‘routefinder’ distances (that is by road) and the actual furthest piece of wreckage from the impact point came down a mile or so on the other side of a large lake which the road route had to go around. Also the wreckage was pieces of paper, light insulation and so on, things that could have been carried by the wind following a very large impact and explosion.

Also if (and I say if very cautiously) the 757 did break-up in the air, is it not possible that the break-up was caused as a result of the purely mechanical, gravitational and aerodynamic forces imposed on the aircraft during a loss of control following a struggle in the cockpit?

Of course conspiracy theorist will tell us that any aircraft that falls to the ground in more than one piece has to have been shot-down even if there is absolutely no other evidence whatsoever.

I think these two explanations sound plausible. What do you think?

Does it even matter? The people are dead and whatever conspiracies are or aren’t uncovered, dead they will remain. No-one is going to give them back their lives. If it crashed as a result of the passengers trying to retake the plane the result is exactly the same as the aircraft being shot down to prevent its use as a missile.

Creaking Door is right. Further investigation or discussion can only lead to conspiracy theories being aired:

Was it shot down deliberately?

Was it blown up in mid air?

Was it shot down accidentally?

Were there terrorists on board?

Weren’t there terrorists on board?

Were the calls from people on Flight 93 somehow faked?

Is it all a cover up for a massive alien abduction?

Was the whole series of attacks staged by America to destabilise the Middle East allowing them to invade Iraq and Afghanistan?

There are almost as many different theories as there are people. And the majority of them just get wackier and wackier.

Me? I have no answers. I have no real opinion. All I know is that the people on board that aircraft are dead, and the constant raking over of the coals is not getting anyone any further towards an answer.

Regards,

kev35

The wreckage was spread over that distance as said on the Inside 9/11 on Nat Geo.

I don’t know how you expect this not to become a conspiracy theory subject but here we go…

…crashes into the ground, and will fully well know that a 757 bound for the East Coast from the West, Can not disappear over a 9-10 mile radius hence why I ask this question.

I don’t understand what you are trying to say here; are you talking about the wreckage being spread over this radius?