Corgi Short Stirling

nice kit – tell me more i’m not familiar with that pattern?

Disruptor pattern scheme similar to these, although i’m not sure if the tractor would carry this scheme. So I may repaint with the more accurate RAF Blue / Grey.

The most important thing about building a model is that it’s `your model` and doesn’t really matter how good or bad. Corgi got me back into modelling but now I only build models. Buying completed examples doesn’t appeal although I have some nice Corgi Lancasters namely S-Sugar and the BBMF Set. They are not as nice to me as this one I built about 10 years ago. My first model in 20 years.

btw I bet Corgi don’t do this one…

Modelzone £119 on pre-order only…spoke to a few shops..all sold out straight away.

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£119! Hmm, inaccurate looking diecast or nice kit built for you (if you can’t build your own) at less than half the price – I know what I would prefer!:)

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Hindenburg; interested to see which shops (branches) you’ve spoken to ?

Tech’-speaking, what you said isn’t 100% “bang on”, coz I’ve managed to snag a couple more from M.Z. ma good self 😀

Turns out that EACH M.Z. branch had an allocation of TWO each….. except for M.Z. Trafford-centre & M.Z. Cardiff, which were issued FOUR each 😉

When they come (sent/sealed) from Hornby they’re sent out in boxes of two a a time, so, invariably, Cardiff & Trafford centre got two-boxes each.

Pagen, am not choosing to have a run-in ol’ bean, but your opinion is just that, an opinion.

I happen to agree with you MOSTLY = HOWEVER = I’m assuming you’re “sounding-off” your opinion WITHOUT actually owning one of these Corgi McRobert’s Reply Stirlings, yeah ?

(tell me I’m wrong & I’ll watch yer nose go all-Pinnochio 😀 :rolleyes:)

Yes, an ‘expertly’ done kit will 95% of the time fare better (& maybe, just maybe cost more)

Trouble is, unless that PLASTIC (commissioned) kit is kept dust-free = MINT & un-broken…… it’s gonna be worth Dogsh*t in comparison with this model you so keenly “knock” (without owning one, I’ll bet?) in 5, 7, 10 & 15+ years down the line, when the Corgi model will ONLY go “up” in value.

I’m not asking/expecting you to knock-out £ 100+ on something you clearly don’t rate (presumably without already owning one), but TRUST ME, it’s no-where near as grim as you’d make it out to be !

Yes, I “do” own one already & it is VERY nice…. (& impressive)

No ‘mass-market’ diecast is EVER gonna please the hardcore/dog-eared IPMS fan/enthusiast, but this model is as good as any diecast has a right to be & for those who can’t build/paint a kit to decent standards (or, like me, those who can OFTEN no-longer be arsed, or don’t have time to do it (!), this Corgi Stirling you’re so keen to knock, is an ideal substitute THAT WILL ONLY INCREASE IN VALUE (unlike a made-up kit)

Here’s a Matchbox 1/72nd scale (RCAF) Halifax I made-up myself, back in 1989, which I still have to this day.

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I done a fairly good job of it… (despite no weathering, it came second-placed, many years ago in a local IPMS night comp’)…. & although folks can & will find fault with it, HOPEFULLY it shows I’m not a complete “mug” when talking about models, be they plastic, or diecast.

I’d ask any other forumites to actually LOOK at this Corgi Stirling (before sounding-off), to judge for yourselves

In MY humble opinion it’s actually a nice/good/decent model, or else I wouldn’t go swanning-off, spending £ 120.00+ quid.

‘H.C’

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Modelzone have them for about £100.
Or you could have a go at building the Airfix one for £20.

This is my one.

I’m going to re-do the trollies and tractor in Brown / Black Disruptor pattern.

nice kit – tell me more i’m not familiar with that pattern?

£119! Hmm, inaccurate looking diecast or nice kit built for you (if you can’t build your own) at less than half the price – I know what I would prefer!:)

Modelzone £119 on pre-order only…spoke to a few shops..all sold out straight away.

Always liked this kit, thought the tractor & bomb trolleys were a neat touch.:cool:

Modelzone have them for about £100.
Or you could have a go at building the Airfix one for £20.

This is my one.

I’m going to re-do the trollies and tractor in Brown / Black Disruptor pattern.

Corgi vs Airfix Stirling

You could commission someone to make the nice 1:72nd Airfix kit for you, and a competent modeller would produce a far better and finer detailed result than a diecast, with better quality finish and markings, a choice of individual aircraft, it would be much lighter, much cheaper, and delivered far more quickly than 12 months!
To finish to a good display standard from the box (comes with RAF ground kit as well),
Kit & paint £25 (can be found much cheaper, or kit supplied by you), build £40, total £55 – £65.
Or you could add detail like a vacform canopy and different decals, or convert to a Mk.V for say £80 total.

Certainly for the Corgi asking price you should be able to get a very finely detailled and nicely finished kit.
For £211 expect a scale rendition of the 1000 bomber raid!:eek:

So if anyone wants a decent model of a Stirling, Halifax, Lancaster, Hampden…

Ebay Stirling

The Stirling on ebay went for £211,so it looks like those lucky enough to get one for the issue price are sitting on a potential profit if they decide to sell.
😮

So why was the span really reduced?

Had to jump in here. The whole RAF hangars dimensions is a myth. It is repeated in Barnes’ Putnam Short Aircraft, so all and sundry take it as read, but is not true.

Originally Arthur Gouge wanted the Stirling’s wing to be the same span as the Sunderland’s at just over 114 ft, but according to Tony Butttttler in British Secret Projects; Fighters and Bombers 1935 – 1950; “…in truth the 100 ft limit was to prevent the aircraft [in reference to B.12/36] from becoming too large while the key problem with the Stirling was its ever increasing weight.”

That diecast is going to look smashing!

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I am looking forward to building my airfix Stirling – from 2 Christmas breaks back!

why the 100′ wingspan?

Originally Posted by DocStirling
That was the original spec, but they are going to have to make it 370mm to fit in the boxes

Good lord – I cannot believe I said that 1 year ago!

Very good 😀

However is this not based on one of the biggest misconceptions about British expansion era bomber designs?

It’s often said the the Stirling wingspan was reduced from the original 114ft to 99ft to fulfill a new spec (for all new bombers) calling for a span no greater than a 100ft so as to fit in the current hangars.
The most common hangar on operational RAF stations were the A Type with a 120ft clear span opening, and the new C Type which would dominate RAF bomber airfields by the late 1930s were of 150ft clear span opening.
Even the later mass built temporary T2 had an opening of 115ft.
It seems a real shame that the aircraft had its performance ‘clipped’ in this way, if Wiki is to be believed (?) the aircraft was otherwise highly regarded.

So why was the span really reduced?

I have re-read the introductory chapters in Michael Bowyer’s ‘The Stirling Story’ about the original specification that lead to the Stirling – B.12/36. The Shorts design was actually secondary to the preferred one – from Supermarine, but they were behind schedule and their two prototypes were destroyed in a bombing raid on the factory.

B12/36 stipulated a maximum wing span of 100 feet – apparently an arbitrary figure. It is implied that the design should be for a bomber with a short take-off run – using powerful engines (hence the restricted wing span) – as this would restrict the size of the aerodrome and runway that might otherwise cause public resentment in peacetime if it was too big!

It was political correctness gone mad:dev2::dev2:

daniel
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A friend of my grandad flew Stirlings and then transferred to Lancasters and then later onto costal command Liberators. He preferred the Stirling to the others, calling it “more of a pilots plane” iirc.

That was the original spec, but they are going to have to make it 370mm to fit in the boxes 😉

Very good 😀

However is this not based on one of the biggest misconceptions about British expansion era bomber designs?

It’s often said the the Stirling wingspan was reduced from the original 114ft to 99ft to fulfill a new spec (for all new bombers) calling for a span no greater than a 100ft so as to fit in the current hangars.
The most common hangar on operational RAF stations were the A Type with a 120ft clear span opening, and the new C Type which would dominate RAF bomber airfields by the late 1930s were of 150ft clear span opening.
Even the later mass built temporary T2 had an opening of 115ft.
It seems a real shame that the aircraft had its performance ‘clipped’ in this way, if Wiki is to be believed (?) the aircraft was otherwise highly regarded.

So why was the span really reduced?

Stirling

Hi

I got mine just before Christmas after pre-ordering it a year ago.I`m very pleased with it.
I don`t make models myself as i don`t have an artistic bone in my body and so i either buy diecast or buy models which other people have made.

I see that there is one on ebay which is up to £148 at the moment:eek:

I have one….

only 2000 made and lots of upset folk here http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=16838

as above, I buy these as I can’t make them for love nor money, its now sat with a 1/72 Halifax and 1/72 Lancaster in the cabinet behind me, I love it but I think some of the model builders here will not be that impressed, the undercart is too short and some smaller snags.

mine was my xmas gift to myself…. :rolleyes:

I know one is coming my way for a Stirling filming project that I aluded to in another thread….although I have been told they are not yet released but that they “will find us one!”.

Available now, £100 though.

http://www.sstoys.co.uk/index.asp?function=CART&ECD=2636&productid=6539

Drat..and Double Drat

Where do I get one? WANT ONE RIGHT NOW !!!! jumping up and down on spot…please somebody get me a paper bag for my breathing.

Unfortunately you will need that paper bag for a while.
Projected release date for the Stirling is May 2011 and the Hawker Hart is planned for July so you never know the Corgi Stirling just might be at Legends!