Cranwell Dominies airborne

Much easier on the N reg – lots less paperwork!

Bruce

Thanks for the clarification.

The N reg can also be to do with parts traceability should they be broken up for spares. It would be difficult to pass these parts on in the civil market without a trail and the N-reg provides this. There are several scrap yards around Davis Monthan that have many ex military civil registered aircraft which have never flown under, and never carried, their civil marks.

I would guess these aircraft must be pretty much time expired and their military mod states would would exclude a UK CofA?

Hi all – a couple of photos taken of the 2 lunchtime departures on Tuesday . .

Many thanks for posting. I didn’t have my camera with me and I was too busy (supposed to be working you see) but the familiar sound of the vipers brought me out for a quick look!

Exactly right, they were sold/struck off MoD inventory so the serial is no longer valid. Therefore the other airworthiness facets of operating an MoD aircraft go to (i.e. the equivalent of the limitations and airworthiness doc). The Form 700 would give an airworthiness trail to contribute to satisfy the N ticket/reg.

pagen01……….

I am not expert in these matters but the military not longer own them so the military paperwork would not be valid. Here I am guessing: just much simpler to register a/c in the USA, hence all the “N” registered aircraft that are based anywhere else but in the USA.

Planemike

Can that not be done under ther military serials or with a UK reg?

Why would they be US registered just to be scrapped?

Most likely registered for the ferry flights from Cranwell to Kemble.

Planemike

XS712 now US Registered as N19CQ
XS728 now US Registered as N19CU
XS730 now US Registered as N19UG
XS731 now US Registered as N19XY
XS737 now US Registered as N19EK
XS739 now US Registered as N19UK

What worries me is that Kemble has an active aircraft scrapping facility. Which could mean that they are going to be broken up at Kemble and sold off as parts, on the basis of that would be more lucrative than selling them off as whole airframes.

Why would they be US registered just to be scrapped?

I must admit I was surprised that anyone wanted them as a flying concern as certification of a dedicated military type for civil use would be involved, they don’t share many parts with other 125 models, and the Vipers are decidely dated, and that’s before you consider age and hours.

At least a couple (don’t forget XS738 at Predannack aswel) look set to be preserved anyway, be nice if one of those end up in the original red and white training scheme.

Thanks, good to hear there is one safe

Cranwell Dominies airborne

Were any preserved? i seem to remember one might have gone to cosford but im not sure.

XS709 – to RAF Museum Cosford (flown in 11 Feb 2011)
XS711 – Reported “tagged” for preservation, not sure where (Duxford?)
XS726*- Sold to Everett Aero Spoughton 2007 (along with XS733 and XS734)

The three airframes that Everett Aero have could be preserved: it just needs someone to make an offer! (*XS726 currently listed on the Everett Aero website as up for sale at £25,000

Were any preserved? i seem to remember one might have gone to cosford but im not sure.

The Dominie was the Srs.2 and the airframe differed quite a bit form the civil Srs.1 & 3 with different profiling on some parts of the fuse and the whole built to military specs.

This limits the useful spares I would have thought for the few early versions that might still be around, unless they contain a small number of useful impossible to get parts??

Garry

“EJS hold spares in stock for the following executive jets:
– HS125-1A up to 1000 series”
http://www.ejs.aero/exec.htm
🙁

seems weird to fly them out to break them down…or were they airworthy immediately?!!

Must be just for airframe parts, I don’t think many use the old Viper jets anymore.
IIRC, the basic airframe parts should be current to the HS 125-600 or possibly -700 (which had the 731 turbofans but kept the same airframe).

Hi all – a couple of photos taken of the 2 lunchtime departures on Tuesday . .

Cranwell Dominies airborne

Further to my above post, I’ve done some more digging. The website of the new registered owners of these six Dominies is http://www.ejs.aero/

Which says

“Started in the early Nineties, Executive Jet Support has become one of Europe’s premier aircraft spare parts suppliers, covering a multitude of commercial and corporate aircraft.

With their offices and warehouses conveniently located within 45 minutes of London’s Heathrow airport, EJS are able to supply airlines, both large and small, and executive jet operators, with their total parts needs.”

Which reinforces my speculation that these six Dominies have been bought for stripping down as spares hulks/component recovery…

XS712 now US Registered as N19CQ
XS728 now US Registered as N19CU
XS730 now US Registered as N19UG
XS731 now US Registered as N19XY
XS737 now US Registered as N19EK
XS739 now US Registered as N19UK

All six aircraft were sold/struck off charge 19 May 2011. A quick check on the US FAA registration database (http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Inquiry.aspx) shows all six to have been sold to a company called “19th Hole Inc DBA/Executive Jet Support Ltd”, with a registered address of 15 Glenmore Centre, Chippenham, Wilts., SN14 6BB.

Which probably explains the Kemble connection….

For example, try this link http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N19UK for N19UK (ex-XS739)

Of course, that gives no clues as to who REALLY owns them, nor where they may be ultimately headed! What worries me is that Kemble has an active aircraft scrapping facility. Which could mean that they are going to be broken up at Kemble and sold off as parts, on the basis of that would be more lucrative than selling them off as whole airframes.

The link below includes a couple of shots of Dominies arriving at Kemble (and a couple of the Meteor T.7 making her first post-restoration flight!) :

http://www.facebook.com/cotswoldairport