Crash Landed Austrian F70 bites the dust

It wasn’t to bad last time I was there. It is all in how you ask. Most people there were real friendly

Originally posted by tenthije
Are you sure the number is 20? I hear they are going to take 9 plus another 6 on option. All ex AA.

Yep I heard 20, will have to wait and see.

Regards Peter.

Originally posted by Wrenchbender
Greek have you been to Victorville? Ther were lot’s L1011’s out there and alot of United stuff. It is a short drive fo you. Also there is an F-4 on the old base.

Wrenchbender, I unfortunately have not been to Victorville. You are correct in that it is only about an hour drive (less if there is not traffic in the Cajon Pass) from me, which makes it worthwhile. I have passed by it countless times on the drive to Vegas. My cousin (BigRedMD-11) and I have talked about going up there, but we haven’t gotten around to it yet. How accessible is it to the viewing public? Can I get some decent shots from the perimeter?

Greek have you been to Victorville? Ther were lot’s L1011’s out there and alot of United stuff. It is a short drive fo you. Also there is an F-4 on the old base.

Originally posted by Jeanske_SN
Fhew, they are finally going out of the desert. Good to see.

There are still lots of them in the desert.

Fhew, they are finally going out of the desert. Good to see.

Are you sure the number is 20? I hear they are going to take 9 plus another 6 on option. All ex AA.

Update on the FOKKER 70

Have heard from some one who works at Fokker Woensdrecht
Holland that Austrian are not going to repair the aircraft,and that KLM are interested in buying it and repairing the aircraft.

Also that Austrian have bought 20 Fokker 100’s

Peter

Originally posted by tenthije
I believe they are attached by bolts to the engine pylon. These bolts are designed to snap at a certain number of G force. In theory the engines therefore only snap during a crash when there are large G forces working on the plane. The advantage is that the engine falls off in an anticipated way. Therefore fuel lines etc can be designed in a way to self seal to prevent a fire ball upon landing.

Of course it is quite annoying when the engines fall of when a plane has high G, but is not crashing. The people in the Amsterdam suburb of the Bijlmermeer learned that the hard way when El Al gave them a surprise visit.

What caused that was hairline fractures in those bolts. No.2 Engine fell away and unfortunately hit No.1 on its way down. No.1 fell of shortly after, taking a lot of the leading edge slats with it.

Tragic.

but yes, I can concur, engines are designed to fall away or shear upon massive forces.

On the DC-10, the engines were actually designed to brake off and fly OVER the wing in the event of any kind of catastrophic pylon failure.

I believe they are attached by bolts to the engine pylon. These bolts are designed to snap at a certain number of G force. In theory the engines therefore only snap during a crash when there are large G forces working on the plane. The advantage is that the engine falls off in an anticipated way. Therefore fuel lines etc can be designed in a way to self seal to prevent a fire ball upon landing.

Of course it is quite annoying when the engines fall of when a plane has high G, but is not crashing. The people in the Amsterdam suburb of the Bijlmermeer learned that the hard way when El Al gave them a surprise visit.

Not true, underwing engines are designed to shear off if impacted in a crash. How do i know, used to mend ’em, now i fly ’em.

Also most post impact fires are caused by the fuel tanks being ruptured.

Spotty M Driver.

If its underwing engines and they rip off fuel goes everywhere and therefore more likely to burst up in flames as so many aircraft have done while belly landing. In one pic you can see the fokkers gear in a pile of snow about 100m from where it stopped. Forward gear i think

With an aircraft with the engines on the tail I think the best idea is to land on the belly because the gear wouldn’t survive the stress anyway? Otherwise in normal aircraft, a belly landing would probably make a small (HUGE) explosion; or are the engine connections so strong they can support the aircraft’s weight including stress from the ground on a landing in just a field?

Glad to hear it has arrived in Wonsdrecht,NL
Look forward to helping it to return flight.

rekkof2004

This morning (02/02/04) the F70 arrived on a flatbed lorry at Fokkers maintenance base at Woensdrecht. There it will be repaired.

Originally posted by tenthije
The plane made a crash landing a few miles short of its destination, Munich airport. The accident happened january 6th. No casualties but there where 3 or 4 minor injuries. The reason for the emergency landing was a failure of both engines, why they failed is being investigated.

Thanks Peter. That has to be a great job by the pilots to get that thing down after dual engine failure and saving all the lives in the process.

Some thing to do with the de iceing of the engines I heard

rekkof2004

The plane made a crash landing a few miles short of its destination, Munich airport. The accident happened january 6th. No casualties but there where 3 or 4 minor injuries. The reason for the emergency landing was a failure of both engines, why they failed is being investigated.

Originally posted by rekkof2004
hi read the first thread.

Hi, that tells me absolutely nothing. I didn’t asked where, I asked when and if there were any fatalities. A simple answer would do. Thank you very much.

Originally posted by greekdude1
When did this crash occur? Were there fatalities?

hi read the first thread.

rekkof2004