Crashed Wellington on Kiel / Germany

R1038

I don’t have any information about the loss of R1038, but would be very interested in anything you discover. As far as I know P/O Parker was the pilot.

Thanks to Bastian for this information and the picture !
Maybe I have the crash location of the Wellington R1038 !
I am waiting for the permission to can research this location. Do you have more details about the crash ? All crew member was buried in Runnymede Memorial.
When you have a report of the missing crew, may be you can send me a copy for my homepage and database and can I use this picture for my homepage?

To the crash location of the Whitley T4134, I have now the location of forced landing. It is the shore north west of in Kiel and called “Schönhagen”. You can find my report and a lot of pictures here http://www.spurensuchesh.de/fzschoenha.htm

Regards from Kiel

Nils

Just For interest sake

For those who are interested R1038 was Wellington AA-H of 75NZ Squadron RAF. My grandfather was the tail gunner untill he finished his first tour and left 75 Squadron. R1038 was lost about 6 weeks later.

Ok, we have clear the Whitley on the picture. It is the T4134 GE-T
But the crash date is 10.09.1940 , crash location is Bremen, Germany.
(Whitley Operational Losses by date)

I have no information about a crash of Whitley this date in Kiel.

Bad for me, good for the squadron (about the pictures).

Regards

Nils

Thanks to VoyTech !

i have no see your posting with the picture from the side !
Do you have info about the crash? a location ? is it Kiel ?

Regards

Nils

Unfortunately, I only have the scan, without any additional info.

Thanks to VoyTech !

i have no see your posting with the picture from the side !
Do you have info about the crash? a location ? is it Kiel ?

Regards

Nils

yes, I have see it yesterday on ebay, and it is the same aircraft. I have ask the seller, but there a no data on the backside of the picture…

thanks for your posting !

Regards

Nils

Maybe the same aircraft, featured on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6168633327

Oh if only it was still there….

I will try to secure a scan of the picture to post here, but this may take a day or two.

Here it is.

Chorley gives:
P/O JE Thompson
P/O TH Hadley
Sgt KD Hall
Sgt W Hughes
Sgt W Bull
And all PoWs. No crash location though.

Flood

I’m sorry I haven’t been able to add to this debate, but all my records are a bit out of reach at the moment, but it’s been fascinating to watch. It’s great to have finally pinpointed which Whitley it was. I’d be grateful to voytech if he could post the piccie confirming it’s ID.
Cheers
Elliott

hey, that is great !

maybe somebody have the crew list of this aircraft for me ?
Than I can complete me research!

Thanks and Regards from Kiel

Nils

I have some pictures of a crashed Wellington on 11.Sep. 1941, and search informations about this a/c. (Crew, ect.)

I have just seen another photo of the same Whitley, but taken at right angles. It shows that the aeroplane is T4134 GE-T. Your date is correct, but the year is 1940 not 1941.
I will try to secure a scan of the picture to post here, but this may take a day or two.

Pathfinder,

You just made my day. I love Whitley pictures! Any chance of getting copies of these pics without the copyright? I am starting a registry of Whitley photo’s. I have upwards of 100 different coded Whitley’s. They would be for my own personal use. :rolleyes:

Cheers,

Todd

Hi.
A Whitley pic for you 😀
Phil

Aircraft letters: I think we have the choice of GE (58 Sqn.) /GF/OE/OF/QE/QF/SE/SF – for the squadron and T for the individual aircraft letter. Maybe we should see, which squadron-codes could be eliminated.
Does any publication of bomber command losses exist?

The codes, admittedly, don’t look right but if you want to take that date as gospel then that is the only one that works:
P5109 was of 10Sqn (ZA-x) and ditched 80 miles off the British east coast with the loss of all crew.
Z6867 was also of 10Sqn (ZA-x) and ditched 2 miles off Flamborough Head (Britain again) with the crew being rescued.
Z6931 was of 58Sqn (GE-O) and crashed near the Majestic Hotel, Harrogate (Britain yet again), with all the crew surviving.

Exactly how accurate have you found the dates on other photographs? My inference being that too much reliance upon ‘a date, written of the back of the photograph’ narrows the search field considerably; whereas my experience in the past has been that, sometimes, dates mean nothing (several years ago I came across some photos of a the wreckage of a Chipmunk of Southampton University Air Squadron that had crashed after a collision; the serial was quite visible and the details were fairly informative, the only problem was that when I investigated it I found that the date was wrong: it was around a decade later and almost certainly to do with when the pix had been printed for an ‘On this day – 10 years ago’ feature or something similar. Wish I could find my prints).
Have you got a newspaper article which refers directly to that aircraft on that date (despite my experience)? To me the two letters do look like GE (or the tops do), but the first letter looks like the top of a ‘T’…

Flood

now, I can´t see this code on the picture…
what is the right code on the picture?

What is wrong with Z6498, of 58Sqn, coded GE-D, which is noted as ditching on the Warnemunde mission, with all crew taken prisoner?
Fits all the known criteria…

Flood

three month later, I am no step forward about this picture !

ok, the aircraft on the picture is a Whitley…
crashdate is 11.09.1941, crash location is Kiel
four letters I can see: T Q O E (one too much)

four Whitley a/c are crashed this day, but all in Warnemünde.
it is possible, that this a/c shot down on the way to the target.

P5109
Z6498
Z6867
Z6931

maybe somebody have the squadron of this a/c ??

Regards from Kiel

Nils