Crossing the Atlantic Ocean with two engines

RE: ?

All I know is there was a Swiss company based in Geneva who did feasability studies about 4 years ago.

The company went out of business after a couple of months of operating 767’s on the route.

As to how a 737 could have a longer range than a 707 or DC-8, the answer is 35 years of technology and Engines that require less fuel.

?

How could a 737-700 possibly have a longer range than the DC-8 or 707? They are both single-aisle jets.

RE: Crossing the Atlantic Ocean with two engines

umm, Scott, that is the only route used, apart from concorde and flights to South/Central America. (to/from the UK, anyway)

Because it’s the fastest route. Theoretically, if you took 3 rows of seats out, the 737-700 could fly nonstop GVA-JFK (Geneva – New York) commercially, although it would depend on weather conditions en route.

RE: Crossing the Atlantic Ocean with two engines

The 2-Engine Boeing 777-200ER currently flies the Longest Round Trip Non-Stop service of any Commercial Route, that being the EWR-HKG Newark-Hong Kong Polar route of 8,055 SM. That beats out the previous record holder of scheduled passenger service, the JFK-JNB New York to Johannesburg Non-Stop flown with the Boeing 747-400 at 7,984 SM. But this was not Round Trip Non-Stop service as the westbound trip involves re-fueling at Ilha do Sal.

RE: Crossing the Atlantic Ocean with two engines

Well there is a difference……there is crossing the atlantic ocean and the other route that is the most widely used….the route that goes up and round(upto greenland and back down).

The Teesside-based Skyservice A320 (C-GTDF) departed direct back to YYZ (Toronto) this morning.

Regards Scott

RE: Crossing the Atlantic Ocean with two engines

American Airlines have regularly used the A300 on flights between the United States and Heathrow, Jamaica Airlines used Airbuses, so trans Atlantic Airbus flights aren’t all that unusual.

RE: Crossing the Atlantic Ocean with two engines

LAST EDITED ON 20-10-01 AT 08:09 AM (GMT)[p]Well most of the two engined business jets do trans-atlantic flights. I think the BBJ also is capable of doing it, so is the A319CJ. Aeroflot operates most trans-atlantic flights with its A310s. Also B767 AARGOS version dose trans-atlantic flights regularly.

regards

RE: Crossing the Atlantic Ocean with two engines

There´s a A319 ETOPS…I suppose in corporate version.

RE: Crossing the Atlantic Ocean with two engines

Out of the Boeing stable, the following twin jets are used on regular transatlantic/ETOPS services:

767-200ER
767-300ER
757-200 (UA use these from LA to Hawai as well)
777-200
777-300
767-400ER

Something like 75% of all scheduled transatlantic flights from Europe to the USA were made by B767 back in the mid 1990s.

The following Airbus models also make regular ETOPS flights:

A300-600/600R
A310-300
A330-300
A330-200

The A330 in particular is proving to be very popular on transatlantic flights.

However, it is the 767 which pioneered ETOPS flights with TWA and American Airlines among the first airlines to use twin jets on long hops over the pond. The Airbus models soon followed, although the A310 lost out to the 767 because of the shorter range. The retirement of old 747’s, L-1011’s and DC-10 types have seen these classics replaced by the likes of the 777 and A330. The big twin jets having similar capacity to the old tri-jets, but much more economical.

Twin jets are now a normal event on todays long haul services. The novelty factor that was witnessed in the 1980’s has now worn off and people have accepted that it is safe to fly with just two engines instead of three of four.

RE: Crossing the Atlantic Ocean with two engines

the 757 also does transatlantic flights, notably

CO
London Stansted – Newark NJ
Birmingham – Newark NJ
Glasgow – Newark NJ

BA
Manchester – New York JFK

(all these flights are not nescarilly currently operating with these a/c)

The B737-700 holds the world record for the longest flight on a delivery flight for a single aisle aircraft, when it flew non-stop Seattle – Berlin.

RE: Crossing the Atlantic Ocean with two engines

Getting A320`s across the atlantic is no problem as you can see from the following extract from the Airbus web sites.

“The A319, A320 and A321 have been developed to have a range of 3000 nm/5600km in the single-aisle market, range to offer true transcontinental non-stop capability, whether routes are primarily business travel or leisure and holiday travel.”

A320`s can actually travel just under 4000 nautical miles with no payload and the maximum fuel load on board.
So crossings can be made non stop on delivery flights.
I feel sorry for the poor pilots bringing light aircraft from one side of the atlantic to the other they really have a naff job

RE: Crossing the Atlantic Ocean with two engines

It´s not so difficult for a twin engine (I have to remind you that there are A319 and B737 which make ETOPS). In any case planes which aren´t ETOPS and have to cross the Atlantic make a multiple stop flight on the North Atlantic (close to the Poles) where you could find lots of small airports all the way.