Cutty Sark Fire (Merged)

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Great news :):):D:)
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Good News

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7471449.stm

The first bit of good news.It seems that they CAN restore her.Depending on the funding,a tentative date of 2010 has been put forward befor we can see her in all her glory again.BUT,it’s all down to funding.A fund-raising concert has also been proposed.

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As Harry Shand (Bob Hoskins) said-“Mind my grief”. 😉

Just a quick thaught.Cutty Sark was,to all intents and purposes,a Museum.I presume that all brick and mortar Museums have,not only night security guards on site,but also intruder and smoke alarms.I have no knowledge wether Cutty Sark had these befor being dismantled or not,but I would have thaught that during her vulnerable state,security would have been tighter than it seemed to be.I know there was CCTV survielance but these “tapes” are usually used after an offence has taken place.Knowing the area well,they’re usually used to crack down on skateboarders.
I think they’ve treated her as a “building site” relying on CCTV,being fed to a wall of screens,covering the whole of Greenwich (maybe more),being viewed by a tired,solitary operator.As far as I know,the guy who took the video on his mobile,which was shown on Sky News,allerted the Fire Brigade.
A sad,sad day for “good old Greenwich”.

Well luckily there was CCTV and the Metropolitan Police have just released a photo of a suspected arsonist.

Mark

Normal procedure for a “low risk” site such as the Cutty Sark (well low risk until now), it would be a Mobile Response Team who would visit the site once an hour. This is a huge cost saving whilst still maintaining a resonable level of security. So there probably was no one on site until the alarm was raised as i noted a fire officer saying they had to let themselves in.

Maybe one of the Mobile Response Team decided to have a fag and didnt put it out properly. Seems best explaination to me….

If press reports are right, the fire brigade responded to calls from members of the public. There was a security guard on site. One wonders why he didn’t raise the alarm. No report of him being sacked. Why not?

There is a lot that just does not make sense at the moment and until all the investigations are carried out i guess we will not know the truth or all the facts, Either way this should not have happened and i hope we can learn from this, I still fear we may lose Cutty Sark forever due to this i pray im wrong.

If press reports are right, the fire brigade responded to calls from members of the public. There was a security guard on site. One wonders why he didn’t raise the alarm. No report of him being sacked. Why not?

Did anyone notice The Apprentice episode on Wednesday. They must have rebuilt her quickly as they met Sir Alan at the Cutty Sark and had a rundown of its history with overseas trading. :p

Also aparently The Duke of Edinburgh started the fire, according to Have I Got News For You!

Appreciate your sentiments but IMHO that’s going a bit far … there’s a lot more to London than a famous ship or two …

The Cutty Sark as with all of London is about memories and connections and i agree that London is more than just one thing, Its a sum of all its parts, She was and hopefully will be again a symbol of London and made Greenwich special.

I notice that so far the police and fire experts have not been able to find a cause, I wonder if they will ever know for sure, Its also been mentioned that all the sprinkler system had been removed from Cutty Sark before the renovation started and there is some debate if this effects the insurance, I really hope such things can be settled soon and the truth can be found to who or what caused her to suffer such a incident, At least once such things are out in the open there maybe a chance for her to rise like a phoenix from the flames so to speak, She must be returned to her former glory so future generations can see her and hear of her history.

Just a quick thaught.Cutty Sark was,to all intents and purposes,a Museum.I presume that all brick and mortar Museums have,not only night security guards on site,but also intruder and smoke alarms.I have no knowledge wether Cutty Sark had these befor being dismantled or not,but I would have thaught that during her vulnerable state,security would have been tighter than it seemed to be.I know there was CCTV survielance but these “tapes” are usually used after an offence has taken place.Knowing the area well,they’re usually used to crack down on skateboarders.
I think they’ve treated her as a “building site” relying on CCTV,being fed to a wall of screens,covering the whole of Greenwich (maybe more),being viewed by a tired,solitary operator.As far as I know,the guy who took the video on his mobile,which was shown on Sky News,allerted the Fire Brigade.
A sad,sad day for “good old Greenwich”.

… London woithout her is not London.

Appreciate your sentiments but IMHO that’s going a bit far … there’s a lot more to London than a famous ship or two …

Whats next, the Victory, that would burn nice wouldn’t it you sickoes.[/QUOTE]

Please don’t give anybody any idea’s mate.
As yet the investigations are still on going so Arson has not been confirmed, If it indeed was arson that has wrecked the Cutty Sark the question that most bugs me is who would be around at around 4,45 in the morning to do such a evil thing, For sure its not kids at that time. The other thing is was there security for her, But i am sure these are things that will be revealed later as in investigation goes on.

I hope she can be restored luckily 50% of her was not on site when the fire took hold and hopefully somethings can be salvaged from the wreck to restore her to the ship we know and love, She is a icon and no other ship being restored will do, I love London and have always had a soft spot for her as she is as much part of London as the Houses or Parliament or St Pauls catherdral, London without her is not London.

Doesn’t seem to be as bad as it first appeared.

As has been said, much of the ship (masts, upperworks, interior fittings & about half the planking) had been stripped off for renovation, & was off-site. Also, it appears from the latest reports that a fair bit of what’s left may be salvageable. The wrought-iron frame is a worry, but –

Ian Bell, manager of the ship restoration project, emerged from an inspection of the ship with soot on his cheeks but an optimistic message about the condition of the ship’s iron frame.

“Initial indications suggest we don’t have any massive distortions of the ship,” Bell said.

and –

“I’m relieved. I came here thinking the ship had gone on her last journey,” said Richard Doughty, chief executive of the Cutty Sark Trust

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6649053,00.html

Mr Doughty, project manager for the restoration, said the structures around the ship had been completely destroyed.

However, the beams of the vessel were much more difficult to damage and seemed to have suffered only surface charring.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2565276.ece

Interesting article about her preservation, & the preservation of historic ships in general –
http://www.maritime.org/conf/conf-waite.htm

Just Google Falkland Islands Wrecks and you’ll see what I mean, this is where the SS Great Britain came from, and look at her now.

Barry, I sympathise, considering the nautical heritage of this great nation, there are few historic survivors of our past and this is a disaster on the highest scale. If you look at the various ariel photos of the scene the whole hull seems to have warped in the middle to me.
If some sick b###### have done this, and are caught, may I suggest that they are dealt with in a Whicker Man set up on Greenwich park.

Whats next, the Victory, that would burn nice wouldn’t it you sickoes.

Perhaps this may be of use…?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6676245.stm

Just Google Falkland Islands Wrecks and you’ll see what I mean, this is where the SS Great Britain came from, and look at her now.

Barry, I sympathise, considering the nautical heritage of this great nation, there are few historic survivors of our past and this is a disaster on the highest scale. If you look at the various ariel photos of the scene the whole hull seems to have warped in the middle to me.
If some sick b###### have done this, and are caught, may I suggest that they are dealt with in a Whicker Man set up on Greenwich park.

Whats next, the Victory, that would burn nice wouldn’t it you sickoes.

Pete thanks for the heads up on this one. Have just seen the pics on the tv, doesnt look good.

QLD, I like your thinking LoL

Bex

If its arson it’s beyond believe that someone could and would do such a thing to something so important to our history.

Its not the point but reports coming from the Cutty suggest that it isnt as bad as had first been feared. Lets all hope so.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6675381.stm

Ouch!!!

Ships like these are beautiful.With modern technology they may be able to rebuild her.If it is arson do what they did over 200 years ago.Send them down here.We have facilities out in the middle of nowhere for crims like that..;)

Pete,I have walked,driven past this lady for over 50 years.Not only did she make history,she is a part of my history.What could take her place?
Imagine walking past Trafalgar Square without Nelson’s Colomb or the Lions.
As everyone on this forum knows,I love Greenwich.The village won’t EVER be the same without her.