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Defending Your Home

As it seems to have made recent news what do you think of defending your home against intruders/burglars i.e. How far do you think you should be allowed to go?

In case any of you think you are in a bad area, I sleep with a table up against a locked bedroom door and I keep an axe in my bedroom but that is because of the circumstances here as I don’t live on a guarded compound. I am almost certainly a goner if anything happens anyway but I don’t intend to go quietly.

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By: F-18 Hamburger - 7th January 2004 at 02:14

In the island that no one wants to come to..i too had to defend my house…

A bear came into my house, I tried negotiating with it..but it failed, the bear was quite stubborn and would not meet any of my demands.. so I tried a subtle approach and offered it some old Mayonaisse i had from a party 3 months ago..

the bear ate it..and not too long after.. it didn’t seem too good. I can tell you that night, i had a bear burger!

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By: Arabella-Cox - 7th January 2004 at 00:42

I can understand a lot of people wanting to get rid of burglars, but I can’t ever agree.

I agree with a death sentence for a murderer or a rapist… and would shoot someone to stop them doing either, but I will not shoot someone for stealing a Tv or video, or even just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Ever been out on the **** and woken up next morning in a neighbours garden?

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By: steve rowell - 6th January 2004 at 23:59

Re: intruders.

Originally posted by optimator
There was a little 80 year old lady that lived in constant terror of break- ins until her only son gave her a loaded .38 to put in her night stand. Sure enough a few months later she was woken up by an intruder in the house, she could hear that intruder sneaking down the hall way to her bedroom. She very carefully opened her bedroom door a little more and could see the shadow of her intruder outlined by a small night light further down the hall. She was terrified as she saw that he had a few boxes in his hand. At that point she simply edged the door open a few more inches and emptied that .38 into her intruder with her shaking hands. She slammed the door shut, even thought she knew that intruder was dead, and called the police from her bedroom telling them in a shaking voice what had happened. A few minutes later the police arrived and found the intruder’s dead body a few feet from her bedroom door with several boxes strewn around him.

When she came out of her bedroom and saw the police next to that body she went into shock.

The intruder was her only son, sneaking in a few surprise Christmas presents a few days before Christmas.

True story.

“Jesus” thats tragic

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By: optimator11 - 6th January 2004 at 10:43

intruders.

There was a little 80 year old lady that lived in constant terror of break- ins until her only son gave her a loaded .38 to put in her night stand. Sure enough a few months later she was woken up by an intruder in the house, she could hear that intruder sneaking down the hall way to her bedroom. She very carefully opened her bedroom door a little more and could see the shadow of her intruder outlined by a small night light further down the hall. She was terrified as she saw that he had a few boxes in his hand. At that point she simply edged the door open a few more inches and emptied that .38 into her intruder with her shaking hands. She slammed the door shut, even thought she knew that intruder was dead, and called the police from her bedroom telling them in a shaking voice what had happened. A few minutes later the police arrived and found the intruder’s dead body a few feet from her bedroom door with several boxes strewn around him.

When she came out of her bedroom and saw the police next to that body she went into shock.

The intruder was her only son, sneaking in a few surprise Christmas presents a few days before Christmas.

True story.

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By: keltic - 6th January 2004 at 09:38

My city safe, despite occasional burglers in houses, pickpockets no major crime is reported. But I live in a flat (as most spaniards) with intercom in the entrance. The street is always full of people, so appart the chain on the door, no special measures are needed.

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By: DazDaMan - 6th January 2004 at 08:50

I’m in the golf club fraternity – not that I play the bloody sport, obviously, but I’ve got a 9-iron (I think!) in the bedroom cupboard, and a big b*****d penknife that I got for one of my birthdays a few years ago…

And then there is the kitchen full of sharp utensils, too, thanks to my stepdad being a chef!!

The law as regards burglars in this country is ridiculous. If they slip and twist an ankle whilst trying to escape your volley of deadly blows, the buggers will try to sue the ass out of you – totally mental!! 😮

Now if it were up to me…!

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By: plawolf - 5th January 2004 at 23:36

Vortex:

“where do you live plawolf…address and a map please”

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=424627&y=568654&z=0&sv=ne3+5df&st=2&pc=ne3+5df&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf

22 cheswick drive.

the one with this sign outside. u cant miss it. 😀 😉

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By: Arabella-Cox - 5th January 2004 at 08:42

where do you live plawolf…address and a map please….:D 😀 😀 😀 😀

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By: Arthur - 4th January 2004 at 22:21

I haven’t ever defended my home yet, but i do believe i have offended it on a number of occasions.

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By: plawolf - 4th January 2004 at 20:53

guys, a problem with all this ‘death to all burgerlers’ attitude is that sure, if u can get away with killing ppl for being in ur house uninvited, many burgerlers would be put off, but many wont(drug addicts who have no other means of getting money), and they would try to kill u before u get a chance to have a go at them.

right now truely violent crimes against home owners who catch burglers are rare (thats why we hear abt every single case), this would sure change if what some of u are suggesting gets made into law. and frackly, im alot happier with someone leaving with my TV then with my blood on his hands.

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By: T5 - 4th January 2004 at 19:47

Anybody ever sets foot in my home and intends on leaving alive with my posessions can think again! I would grab the deadliest weapon around and destroy them.

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By: HURRICANE 477 - 4th January 2004 at 18:42

Until recently OLD GIT I would have disagreed with you but the laws in this country are appalling. I don’t know if we are even allowed to defend our own homes in England. These days if the criminal is harmed, you get sent to prison – is that fair, NO it bl**dy well isn’t.
From the picture I get of the law in this country, you might as well offer the burglar anything in the house just to stop yourself from being harmed. Even if you hit a buglar you face charges of assault – is that fair when the burglar would probably have killed you if you woke.
Remember the case of Tony Martin, I’m not agreeing with his actions, but those two men dwere tresspassing with wrongful intentions.

What does everyone else think ????

I think it’s appalling!!

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By: BME330 - 4th January 2004 at 18:39

why not this? 😀 😀 😀 😀

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By: Old Git - 4th January 2004 at 18:21

Originally posted by Comet
I’m the sort of person who thinks it’s bloody hilarious when I read about some yob getting a bloody good kicking in. I think householders who kill burglars should be given medals for services to the community and not sent to prison. In other words, I enjoy the suffering of criminal scum.

Criminals make their victims suffer, so it is extremely sweet justice when a criminal piece of crap gets their comeuppance and gets beaten to a pulp, mauled by a dog, shot, knifed, poisoned, or maimed in any other way.

Comet,
I 100% agree with you. We had an 18 year old girl who looked after our children who was from Liverpool and she had a false eye (having lost one in an accident). She told me that one day her mum who she lived with had collected her benefit and that night 2 drug addicts broke into their house and demanded the cash. When the mother told them to get lost they got hold of Jane (the 18 year old) held her down and one of them lit a cigarette and held it to her good eye and the mother then gave them the money. They were both caught and got 3 years (which means 18 months for good behaviour) I remember being shocked by this and my view is that anybody who breaks into someones house and carrys on like that deserves a ******** good kicking and I would not think twice about blowing them away either. I think too many people have the idea that Raffles Gentleman thief is going to pop down the chimney with a bag marked “Swag”, help himself to a to a few things, have a sip of sherry and then disappear

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By: Comet - 4th January 2004 at 16:59

I’m the sort of person who thinks it’s bloody hilarious when I read about some yob getting a bloody good kicking in. I think householders who kill burglars should be given medals for services to the community and not sent to prison. In other words, I enjoy the suffering of criminal scum.

Criminals make their victims suffer, so it is extremely sweet justice when a criminal piece of crap gets their comeuppance and gets beaten to a pulp, mauled by a dog, shot, knifed, poisoned, or maimed in any other way.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 4th January 2004 at 16:41

I disagree with killing burglars just because they are there.

If a burglar turned and ran then I would let them go.

We don’t have a death sentence here in NZ for anything but possibly treason so I am not going to impose a death sentence just for being in my house. If however they made any move toward me or my family however then they should not feel so safe.

I hear things on the radio like a little old lady up north who was successfully sued because she set her dog on a burglar. The dog was put down, she was sued and the police charged her with use of a deadly weapon!!!!

This was at a time when the police were supposed to be cracking down on home invasions are a few left some older women raped or killed in their homes, and the courts were supposed to be imposing harsher sentences on home invaders.

I think the idea of reasonable force is a good guideline but at the end of the day the real problem is the criminal, not the home owner.

There was another case up north where a farmer was sick and tired of having his four wheel motor bikes stolen. He was losing $32,000 worth every year. So he waited one night and caught a group of men in his shed… he fired at them and hit one… who fell out of the car he was getting into. His mates drove over him and killed him as they drove off. The farmer was prosecuted.

A joke went around just after that incident that a farmer phoned the police to say that there were men in his shed stealing his things… the police said they were all busy and they couldn’t spare any personel till the morning. The Farmer then said he had shot one of the men. Within 30 minutes there were 100 officers, dog handlers, helicopters, the armed offenders unit. The top cop walks up and says “where is the dead guy?” The Farmer Says “What dead guy?” The cop says “I thought you said you shot a guy”, the farmer replies “I thought you guys were all busy…”

BTW regarding drug addicts I think the best solution is adding powerful poisons to captured drugs, then selling them on the open market. the revenue generated could be used for drug programs for those who really do want to quit… and those who don’t can pay for it by buying some stuff that will solve all of their problems. 🙂

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By: Comet - 4th January 2004 at 15:06

I don’t think there is anything at all wrong with killing a burglar. It’s a pity more aren’t killed if you ask me. My belief is that once someone breaks the law in such a way then they forfeit all rights, including the right to life. I am sick of reading about brain dead drug-addicted scum who break into the homes of pensioners and kill them for their pension just to buy their next fix. Drug addicts are others who should be destroyed, they are no good to anyone and are nothing but a drain on resources (why the hell should they take up intensive care beds when proper people might need them?)

Then there are those who go round knocking on people’s doors after dark, many old people are scared stiff of that as well. On one occasion, I answered a knock on my door after dark. A couple of men said they were “leafletting” (if they are distributing leaflets then they do not need to knock on doors after dark, they should just push them through letter boxes and then leave). I had my barking snarling dog with me, and pushed him at the man’s face. He was bloody scared I can tell you!! He begged me to call the dog away, but I refused (I would never stop my dog barking and snarling at someone who has to right to be on my doorstep). When he realised that I had absolutely no qualms at all about setting the dog on him, they left.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 4th January 2004 at 13:11

“and shout those quaint expressions “**** You” and “Go home” accompanied by finger salutes and jeering.”

Perhaps that “Go USA” T-shirt and Union Jack shorts your Ex-wife sent you wasn’t the nicest thing afterall. 🙂

Perhaps you should grow a beard and get a real good tan?

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By: plawolf - 4th January 2004 at 13:02

well i think ppl who find strange visitors in their house in the middle of the night should have the right to make sure that these uninvited guests do not pose a threat to themself or their families. however i do not think that that should be a blank cheque for ppl to shoot the guy in the back and have a defence for it.

and i think thats how it generally goes. if some punk burgler breaks into a house, gets caught but dont run away and gets a beating, the police would normally not press charges unless it goes too far. even if the house owner does go over the limit and the burgler wants to sue, most house burgerlers dont have very good credibility in a courtroom, and very few have good enough lawyers to be able to win a claim, so i think the odds are still in the favor of home owners (who have the stength to defend themselves).

but that leaves the OAPs and single women. for them i think a different set of rules should apply – if the burgler is unarmed, they should be allowed to use a baseball bat, if the burglers are armed then it their own fault if they get shot.

but i think things would get a hell of alot less complicated if home owners would just learn to shot the guy in the leggs. 😉

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By: Ren Frew - 4th January 2004 at 12:53

Re: Re: Re: Defending Your Home

Originally posted by Old Git
you can guarantee a car load of brain dead morons will slow down and shout those quaint expressions “**** You” and “Go home” accompanied by finger salutes and jeering.

If you moved to Airdrie or Coatbridge you can experience this also. 😀

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