By: Arabella-Cox - 26th July 2011 at 17:32
Thankyou Andy and Simon, Im wonder did anyone email the seller prior to the auction ending and point out the issues with the medal?
You are welcome, Graham.
When I first saw your pictures I was pretty damned certain it was a wrong ‘un, but I alterted my pal Simon (who is a medal spacialist) to have a look and post his thoughts. I didn’t want to suggest it was a fake straight away…but felt sure it was.
I hate being the bearer of bad news, but rather that than you found out much later on and then cannot get your money back.
As you know….I have a bit of a thing about fakes!!!
By: paulmcmillan - 26th July 2011 at 15:55
A Distinuished Flying Cross .. no less! – How rare is that
By: Robert Whitton - 26th July 2011 at 15:51
I wonder if it was one from this catalogue?
http://www.servicecomm.co.uk/catalogue.php?category=22&cat=replacement-and-replica-medals-88-items
or this
Hope you get your money refunded.
PS are you able to post on your website photos of your Hurricane?
By: exmpa - 26th July 2011 at 14:03
Im wonder did anyone email the seller prior to the auction ending and point out the issues with the medal?
Why should anyone do that? If you have any doubts about anything on Ebay you can ask the vendor questions and if you don’t get the right answers you don’t bid.
Caveat Emptor
exmpa
By: Graham Adlam - 26th July 2011 at 10:34
Thankyou Andy and Simon, Im wonder did anyone email the seller prior to the auction ending and point out the issues with the medal?
By: SimonSpitfire - 26th July 2011 at 09:05
Copy DFC
Hello Graham,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the quicker you know then you can start taking action, even though the seller says no returns (a warning sign!) you should be able to get your money back. Go onto the forum and look under E bay and other auctions section, its headed ‘DFC Still Going Strong’ You need to thank Andy again for bringing this to my attention!
By: Graham Adlam - 25th July 2011 at 23:46
Hello thanks for the info what a shame.:( I am really glad I posted lesson learnt, I know nothing about medals I guess that shows!
Had a quick look at the forum could you post a link to the thread please.
By: SimonSpitfire - 25th July 2011 at 23:23
FAKE DFC
I’m afraid you need to get your money back via Flea Bay this is 110% fake. No DFC’s were hallmarked in this way and there are other reasons too. This particular DFC has been discussed on the British Medal Forum all week, have a look. Always buy from a known good dealer or auction house. There are hundreds of fakes out there. By the way a genuine DFC sells for between £1600-1800 yours at around £500 is not a bargin. Sorry for the bad news.
By: Graham Adlam - 25th July 2011 at 23:08
You two really should do your medalling in private.
Regards,
kev35
😀
By: Graham Adlam - 25th July 2011 at 23:07
I hope its real I am protected on this purchase and can get my money back if its not original so any comments on its authenticity are wellcome. I would have thought if it were a fake some name or date would be addded to enhance it ?
By: kev35 - 25th July 2011 at 23:03
You two really should do your medalling in private.
Regards,
kev35
By: Arabella-Cox - 25th July 2011 at 22:45
I have just compared (as carefully as I can) your images against what is definitely a real one, and there are some areas of what I would call ‘concern’. However, I appreciate there may be subtle differences even between genuine ones although I have noted a tendency on copies for the suspension ring to be oval-oid on copies and very round on real ones. There are other minor and subtle things, not least of all the makers stamp at 5 o’clock on the obverse.
When we next cross each others paths I’ll show you mine if you show me yours, to coin a phrase!
By: paul178 - 25th July 2011 at 22:39
I echo what Andy has just written and I hope yours is ok. A quick google brings up replica’s from £12.50 and aged replica’s for about £25.
By: Arabella-Cox - 25th July 2011 at 22:27
Graham – I have to say that there are some very very good fakes out there. Ask any medal dealer/collector. I am not suggesting yours is, but it might be since these do tend to turn up like yours did. I know collectors and dealers who have been duped, so good are the fakes. Even Spinks have been taken in more than once, I gather.
Have a look here:
http://www.spink.com/news/newsletters/2006/200603medal_news.asp
Now, I’m not trying to burst your bubble but only that you should exercise caution given the circumstances in which you got it. I hope for your sake its “right”.
By: paul178 - 25th July 2011 at 22:22
Well my contribution to this is In the central circle on the reverse the Royal Cyphers, GV, GVI, EIIR, appear above the date 1918. The year of issue is engraved on the lower arm of the award. The DFC is issued unnamed.
By: Graham Adlam - 25th July 2011 at 22:21
Will it be at Shoreham?! 😀
Well…at least thats a variation from “Will it be at Legends?”
No Andy I am keeping this one 😀
By: exmpa - 25th July 2011 at 22:13
Graham,
Your medal is not hallmarked, neither does it have a maker’s mark. That in itself interests me.
Does anyone know about the variation in marks? It is also possible that there are die variations, can anyone comment on this with respect to the DFC?
exmpa
By: Arabella-Cox - 25th July 2011 at 22:10
Will it be at Shoreham?! 😀
Well…at least thats a variation from “Will it be at Legends?”
By: Graham Adlam - 25th July 2011 at 22:03
I really dont know anything about hallmarks, I didnt realise they only list years, I was under the impresion they contained allot of hiden information about maker etc I am quite happy with it but it would have been nice to know who it was awarded to. Seems like thats an impossibility, its not an issue for me..
By: AndyG - 25th July 2011 at 21:36
Will the hallmark give a clue to date? I wonder if they held these in stock or struck them as needed, if the hallmark gives a date it might be possible to close it down to a group of recipients.
Hallmark:
STG = Sterling Silver
925 = 92.5% silver and 7.5% copper and other metals.
Did they all have the luxury of a hallmark would be another avenue to pursue, as would, were they watered down in silver content during WWII?
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