Dodgy auction eBay, parts claimed to be Ju-87

I believe, Ian, that it was the largest Junkers 87 ever built.

Thanks Andy, always stuff to learn. The piece was allegedly from Fishbourne Creek, but isn’t everything!

Indeed, Christoph.

The point I was making was in reply to Ian_ and specifically in relation to the R8 prefix which he showed on a casting and which I believe is exclusive to castings. I was simply trying to demonstrate that the absence of R8-87 on the parts being offered for sale did not necessarily exclude them from being Ju 87 since they were not castings.

I think you will find that the R8-87 marking would only be found on alloy castings and would not be found on the type of parts being offered for sale here. The absence of R8-87 on these parts is thus not necessarily a contra-indicator.

Hi guys

… No, there was the stamp even with normal small parts…

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JuN is the name of JunkersNormteile and was in all German aircraft is used, to Junkers produced 3 books with names.

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Here an example that does not belong to the He111 this screw :

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best regards Christoph

I think I have posted before that the Ju87 B air intake I had a few years ago was marked 87… No R8. It also had the sub contractors inspector stamp.

The casting on the elevator section I got at Brenzett was R8-87 as Andy has confirmed.

Both are possible.

P.S. The fuse box on eBay from the Tewkesbury man is from an Me410 Hornet.

I think you will find that the R8-87 marking would only be found on alloy castings and would not be found on the type of parts being offered for sale here. The absence of R8-87 on these parts is thus not necessarily a contra-indicator.

Helpfully, the RLM had a system whereby all cast parts signified the aircraft type in the part number prefix, eg: R8-87, R8-109, R8-111 or R8-17 etc.

I have no idea what happened to them after the larger Duxford based collection of the EAG was ‘dispersed’ Steve.

Denis;

Did those 88 tyres end up in the Rebel Air Museum?

Regards;
Steve

It occurred to me that I have never seen “Germany” marked on any WW2 parts.

Apart from tyres on the Pitsea Marshes Ju88 we dug, they were marked DUNLOP – Made In Germany.

The Ju87 stamp does look like window dressing. R8.87 would be a more Stuka specific marking:

I have a crash-recovered bearing from, I think, a DB605; it has ‘MADE IN GERMANY’ on it…

…in English, German…..and French!

If it helps, MADE IN GERMANY can be found on a number of WW2 German aircraft parts, rather than Deutschland. These were (generally) items that were mass-produced and had a pre-war export market to the English speaking world. In particular, MADE IN GERMANY can be seen on aircraft tyres (tires on the other side of the big pond) or, as in this case, ball bearing races.

Yes, JuN, LgN and others could be used in anything, so they are not specific to the aircraft. It might still be that they are parts used in a Ju87, but equally they could be used in something else as well.

I saw a very similar Ju88 in Berlin. The condition was amazing.

Bruce

That is great to know! Will have to keep eye out for that kind of markings.

This one?
http://luftfartsmuseum.no/fly/junkers-ju-88-a-4-2/

Its amazing, in last 10 years so many Ju-88’s have been recovered in respectable condition.
(sadly not case for a Do-17 🙁 )

Yes, JuN, LgN and others could be used in anything, so they are not specific to the aircraft. It might still be that they are parts used in a Ju87, but equally they could be used in something else as well.

I saw a very similar Ju88 in Berlin. The condition was amazing.

Bruce

JuN parts are a standard part, that could be used in other aircraft. As such there are FwN parts and indeed parts from most other manufacturers that could be used in designs from other companies.

Those levers are similar to some that are found in the Me262 for example. I would not expect a part that stated JuN 87 to be from a Stuka. As you say, the part number style is wrong. I can understand the reason for the confusion however, and would suggest that this is not the usual case of a seller trying to deliberately mislead.

The yellow anodising is common to other types, but was extensively used by Junkers on nearly all the parts they made. The Ju87 and 88 were extensively anodised, down to the smallest part.

Bruce

I was thinking along the same lines.
I do not think he was deliberately misleading, but writing a description that is misleading or deceptive.

So the Ju in JuN and Fw in FwN are indeed MFG stamps, with a generic part number (versus a specific part #)?

And the question of the cylinder
The word Germany is stamped on it. Is that normal? Or should it be Deutchland? Or a city name? It occurred to me that I have never seen “Germany” marked on any WW2 parts.

And yes, when I peaked in a Ju-88 in Norway, hard to miss that very vibrant yellow inside! I am sure helped its preservation in water.
(Ju88.net > Fuselage)

JuN parts are a standard part, that could be used in other aircraft. As such there are FwN parts and indeed parts from most other manufacturers that could be used in designs from other companies.

Those levers are similar to some that are found in the Me262 for example. I would not expect a part that stated JuN 87 to be from a Stuka. As you say, the part number style is wrong. I can understand the reason for the confusion however, and would suggest that this is not the usual case of a seller trying to deliberately mislead.

The yellow anodising is common to other types, but was extensively used by Junkers on nearly all the parts they made. The Ju87 and 88 were extensively anodised, down to the smallest part.

Bruce

I see he had already sold these items in auction before for $44,

He has had the bearing on for many months and has only added the control rods to it recently.

I was comfortable with the rods – markings, colour and small plates.

He sold this weekend a B-24 impeller and has a nice but expensive piece of 109 tail fuselage.

Look like Junkers parts. Can’t tell what aircraft they are from off hand. Most Junkers parts have that yellow anodising.

Agree on anodizing, but how common is that?
And it could be another Ju model.

A professional looking listing by a registered business with over 600 positive feedbacks should not raise too many alarms, unless you know different?!

Does not mean he nor the buyer know what it is until much later.

Looks like a wheel bearing

Not to me, usually they have long axles and roller bearings instead of ball.
Looking at below image mystery part looks a little too big.
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Looks like top end of retractor part, or maybe not even part of gear.

The numbers “JuN 87####” does not strike me as normal ID number, I typically see #-87.###-#### style, like 8-81.123-1234

Look at his Ju-88 part, that is genuine.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Junkers-88-JU-88-fighter-bomber-reconn-aircraft-part-relic-WWII-Luftwaffe-WK2-/221451076895?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item338f83451f

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Looks like a wheel bearing