July 2, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Yes, we all know that.
But I expected the Nottinghamshire Police to also know it. The handlers left two Germ. Sheps. in the van. They died.
By: Merlin Madness - 21st July 2009 at 19:23
Police dog handler to be prosecuted.
Great news.
By: steve rowell - 18th July 2009 at 04:55
Now this is cruelty…my younger Grandchildren were in tears
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25797913-661,00.html
By: steve rowell - 16th July 2009 at 02:00
Thank goodness this unlucky little fella survived
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25785308-401,00.html
By: steve rowell - 11th July 2009 at 06:47
This will turn your stomach…what a cruel barbaric world in which we live
By: J Boyle - 8th July 2009 at 16:43
Certainly in the USA I believe Police dogs have (in some regards) equal legal status to people; or at least harming them is regarded as ‘assaulting an officer’.
In March, a car thief wrecked “his” Honda and went down an alley.
The police came with a dog, the thief shot the dog twice (onve in the head), the officer returned fire killing the suspect.
Nasty business.
The dog recovered from his wounds but has since died of a brain tumor.
About hot cars…
Two weeks ago a guy left his lab in a Mustang convertible while he was in a cinema. It wasn’t that hot out…in the 70s…but the dog was noticed unconscious by passersby.
An animal control officer slit the top to unlock the door, the dog died with a temperature of well over 100 degrees.
It doesn’t take much to kill a dog.
BTW: U.S. military dogs have great portable kennels for air transport (slightly larger than the plastic ones you buy at pet supply stores) with air conditioning. Troops in hot climates have been known to joke the dogs get better treatment than they do.
By: benyboy - 5th July 2009 at 19:56
It is inexscusable but the dog handler will have to live with it for the rest of his life and I fear for his sake will be made an example of rather than have the incedent brushed under the carpet.
The only good thing that has come from this is the wide spread media coverage could prevent events like this happening all over the country.
Ben
(proud German Shepherd owner)
By: old shape - 4th July 2009 at 00:48
I understand all creatures have their place on the planet; I understand that very, very well and that’s a point I’ve made several times in several different threads in my time on these forums, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be respected. You’ve kind of proven my point in a way; mistreatment of animals, working or otherwise, is neglect. That’s been my point since the start of this thread!
Just to bring a slightly lighter side to this thread, don’t you think Dogs Die In Hot Cars sounds like it should be a 16 year old punk band?!
Paul
P.S. Your Grandad would be a man who had my respect for thinking like that. 🙂
Yes. I’ve done this before.
Yonks ago, “The lads” were sat watching TV on Saturday evening, in prep for a night out on the pull etc. The pilot episode of wossitsname, beach thing with the Hoff….anyway, there was a line in there which for some reason only I picked up. When I told the lads that I’d found a name for their band they were over the Moon. They were crap, got nowhere but were called “Multiple victims caught in a riptide” 😀
By: steve rowell - 4th July 2009 at 00:41
Did you mean that in the way I think you did? :diablo:
Paul
I’m leaving that open to interpretation Paul!!!
By: PMN - 4th July 2009 at 00:35
That’s a very good analogy Dave…i think some of the Lads on here abuse their tools as well
Did you mean that in the way I think you did? :diablo:
Paul
By: steve rowell - 4th July 2009 at 00:24
Paul like Canaries in the pits,hunting dogs in a pack and ferrets in the field Some animals are used as a work tool and I’m afraid like some bad workers do, they abuse their tools.
That’s a very good analogy Dave…i think some of the Lads on here abuse their tools as well
By: PMN - 3rd July 2009 at 22:05
Paul like Canaries in the pits,hunting dogs in a pack and ferrets in the field Some animals are used as a work tool and I’m afraid like some bad workers do, they abuse their tools.
My grandad took an apple or carrot every day of his pit life for the pony’s their he treat them like a work mate and any one he found abusing them got the short sharp shock treatment.
I understand all creatures have their place on the planet; I understand that very, very well and that’s a point I’ve made several times in several different threads in my time on these forums, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be respected. You’ve kind of proven my point in a way; mistreatment of animals, working or otherwise, is neglect. That’s been my point since the start of this thread!
Just to bring a slightly lighter side to this thread, don’t you think Dogs Die In Hot Cars sounds like it should be a 16 year old punk band?!
Paul
P.S. Your Grandad would be a man who had my respect for thinking like that. 🙂
By: laviticus - 3rd July 2009 at 21:36
I’d like to think no-one ever thinks of any dog as a “work tool”. 🙁
Paul
Paul like Canaries in the pits,hunting dogs in a pack and ferrets in the field Some animals are used as a work tool and I’m afraid like some bad workers do, they abuse their tools.
My grandad took an apple or carrot every day of his pit life for the pony’s their he treat them like a work mate and any one he found abusing them got the short sharp shock treatment.
By: PMN - 3rd July 2009 at 12:11
I expect that’s exactly what the Dog Handler thought.
I’m not a 10 year old or someone who goes through life with his eyes closed. I never said or implied the same or similar would never happen to me, I said it was inexcusable. I’d think it were equally inexcusable had I been responsible.
Paul
By: Creaking Door - 3rd July 2009 at 12:07
…I can’t allow myself to be forgetful, or get sidetracked, or do anything else that would distract me from doing what I’m doing properly.
I expect that’s exactly what the Dog Handler thought.
By: PMN - 3rd July 2009 at 11:29
I think you’re being a little harsh.
Have you never, ever been in a situation where your actions endangered the life of an animal or a human being?
Not directly endangered no, although I’ve been in hundreds of situations where if what I do goes wrong then people will die (hanging several tons of sound system in the air above the audience needs to be done correctly). In that situation, regardless of whatever else is going on I can’t allow myself to be forgetful, or get sidetracked, or do anything else that would distract me from doing what I’m doing properly. If you have a dog in a car, you shouldn’t allow yourself to be distracted either. I don’t think I’m being harsh at all, I think my viewpoint is perfectly fair and justified and I still think this situation is inexcusable.
Paul
By: Creaking Door - 3rd July 2009 at 11:15
I think you’re being a little harsh.
Have you never, ever been in a situation where your actions endangered the life of an animal or a human being? Maybe you have and don’t even know it because you were lucky.
Yes, technically this was neglect but not deliberate neglect. I hope you manage to get through the rest of your life without finding yourself in a similar tragic situation. Nobody ever thinks it will happen to them.
By: PMN - 3rd July 2009 at 09:53
i don’t think you could interpret this as neglect …more a brain fade by the handler I’d say
Brain fades are not excusable when animals die. It’s neglect. It’s that simple. A situation where dogs die in these circumstances should never, ever arise and it’s totally inexcusable. If you’re responsible for an animal you have a duty to look after it. To not do so is neglect. 😡
Paul
By: steve rowell - 3rd July 2009 at 09:37
It seems that the dogs were left in the Dog Handler’s private vehicle and that the Dog Handler was off-duty and had called into the Police Station (if a report on the radio was correct).
As has been said the Dog and Handler have to be a very close team to work effectively and I doubt the Handler concerned will ever forgive himself.
I don’t know what good any disciplinary action would do; everybody makes mistakes, sometimes with tragic results.
While it was a very sad outcome…i don’t think you could interpret this as neglect …more a brain fade by the handler I’d say
By: Creaking Door - 2nd July 2009 at 23:14
It seems that the dogs were left in the Dog Handler’s private vehicle and that the Dog Handler was off-duty and had called into the Police Station (if a report on the radio was correct).
As has been said the Dog and Handler have to be a very close team to work effectively and I doubt the Handler concerned will ever forgive himself.
I don’t know what good any disciplinary action would do; everybody makes mistakes, sometimes with tragic results.
By: jbritchford - 2nd July 2009 at 20:59
Certainly in the USA I believe Police dogs have (in some regards) equal legal status to people; or at least harming them is regarded as ‘assaulting an officer’.