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One mystery: whatever happened to XS711? It has not been seen since April 2009, and there are no reports of it being scrapped or sold, or preserved…so where is it now?

Last report I’ve seen was:

XS711 HS125 Dominie T1 (fuselage) MoD, Boscombe Down in 2009 :confused:

One mystery: whatever happened to XS711? It has not been seen since April 2009, and there are no reports of it being scrapped or sold, or preserved…so where is it now?

Last report I’ve seen was:

XS711 HS125 Dominie T1 (fuselage) MoD, Boscombe Down in 2009 :confused:

Thing is preservation has now became a byword for types coming out of service….. Look at the Nimrod, Everyman and his dog has one, 70 years ago bar the RAF taking an interest in the odd one, most spits etc were simply scrapped, lancs too. The last Halifax having been used for radar trials at Radlet was scrapped without the blink of an eye, today were are more wary of our past as an affluent society do we can afford to preserve these aircraft as opposed to recovering materials and funds from them…. But is that a good thing? Look at the money poured into the many Vulcans, often staving off the inevitable deterioration of a large aircraft parked outside and exposed to the elements, where if fewer were preserved that funds could be poured into the survival of those, 50 or a 100 years from now, and heart on heart I Hope I am wrong, the surviving Vulcans will be the Cosford example ans maybe XH558, so when you count the Jetsream numbers saved, do not be sad, they are in National collections that has to give future generations a chance to see what we did…

Thing is preservation has now became a byword for types coming out of service….. Look at the Nimrod, Everyman and his dog has one, 70 years ago bar the RAF taking an interest in the odd one, most spits etc were simply scrapped, lancs too. The last Halifax having been used for radar trials at Radlet was scrapped without the blink of an eye, today were are more wary of our past as an affluent society do we can afford to preserve these aircraft as opposed to recovering materials and funds from them…. But is that a good thing? Look at the money poured into the many Vulcans, often staving off the inevitable deterioration of a large aircraft parked outside and exposed to the elements, where if fewer were preserved that funds could be poured into the survival of those, 50 or a 100 years from now, and heart on heart I Hope I am wrong, the surviving Vulcans will be the Cosford example ans maybe XH558, so when you count the Jetsream numbers saved, do not be sad, they are in National collections that has to give future generations a chance to see what we did…

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It would have made sense to loan them to collections where they could be hangared for free and kept in good condition – Coventry comes to mind

apart from Cosford, have any gone into preservation?

Quickest answer to the above question is to look here: http://www.demobbed.org.uk/aircraft.php?type=587

Which lists where they all went to. Direct answer: XS727 is reported as having been preserved at Cranwell, making it the only Dominie (apart from XS709 at Cosford) that has definitely been preserved

One mystery: whatever happened to XS711? It has not been seen since April 2009, and there are no reports of it being scrapped or sold, or preserved…so where is it now?

Dominies for sale

It would have made sense to loan them to collections where they could be hangared for free and kept in good condition – Coventry comes to mind

apart from Cosford, have any gone into preservation?

Quickest answer to the above question is to look here: http://www.demobbed.org.uk/aircraft.php?type=587

Which lists where they all went to. Direct answer: XS727 is reported as having been preserved at Cranwell, making it the only Dominie (apart from XS709 at Cosford) that has definitely been preserved

One mystery: whatever happened to XS711? It has not been seen since April 2009, and there are no reports of it being scrapped or sold, or preserved…so where is it now?

I would imagine the problem with trying to put them on the UK register is as an ex military aircraft it would be on a permit, if they would allow it, hence VFR
And yes there are civilian equivalents, but they are not civilian aircraft.

I would imagine the problem with trying to put them on the UK register is as an ex military aircraft it would be on a permit, if they would allow it, hence VFR
And yes there are civilian equivalents, but they are not civilian aircraft.

WADR I don’t think that the AN-2 was loaned to Newark just to help to secure a sale; although I may well have misinterpreted the negotiations with the owner.

For context, here are the opening three paragraphs from an article I wrote on the topic for FlyPast in summer 2003:

“During the summer of 2002 well signalled changes in the Civil Aviation Authority regulations for aircraft flying under foreign registrations led to Newark Air Museum being approached by several Antonov AN-2 ‘Colt’ owners, offering to loan their aircraft to the museum.

Indeed in September 2002 the museum trustees had agreed to accept Antonov AN-2 into the collection, however a few days before the anticipated delivery date fate intervened and the aircraft was eventually exported to Brazil.

Despite a degree of disappointment, museum trustee David Hibbert had established a string of contacts amongst the AN-2 fraternity and he continued to correspond and nurture these people.”

Anyone remember the ground run at Cockpit-Fest that year? 😮

Sorry if it was your model stall that was blown away, we should have done a better risk assessment!!

WADR I don’t think that the AN-2 was loaned to Newark just to help to secure a sale; although I may well have misinterpreted the negotiations with the owner.

For context, here are the opening three paragraphs from an article I wrote on the topic for FlyPast in summer 2003:

“During the summer of 2002 well signalled changes in the Civil Aviation Authority regulations for aircraft flying under foreign registrations led to Newark Air Museum being approached by several Antonov AN-2 ‘Colt’ owners, offering to loan their aircraft to the museum.

Indeed in September 2002 the museum trustees had agreed to accept Antonov AN-2 into the collection, however a few days before the anticipated delivery date fate intervened and the aircraft was eventually exported to Brazil.

Despite a degree of disappointment, museum trustee David Hibbert had established a string of contacts amongst the AN-2 fraternity and he continued to correspond and nurture these people.”

Anyone remember the ground run at Cockpit-Fest that year? 😮

Sorry if it was your model stall that was blown away, we should have done a better risk assessment!!

Would the fact that these Dominies have spent a fair proportion of their lives at low-level, and powered by relatively noisy Vipers, restrict their potential UK civil use?
I’ve always liked the Dominie, a ‘pretty’ little jet.

Would the fact that these Dominies have spent a fair proportion of their lives at low-level, and powered by relatively noisy Vipers, restrict their potential UK civil use?
I’ve always liked the Dominie, a ‘pretty’ little jet.

re;

If your a business how do you make money on loaning aircraft to museums?

Because its a lot easier for a possible buyer to see them. An AN2 was loaned to Newark for a while before being sold.

re;

If your a business how do you make money on loaning aircraft to museums?

Because its a lot easier for a possible buyer to see them. An AN2 was loaned to Newark for a while before being sold.

If the company is based there, they may well have a set area of parking in their lease so will not be incurring any parking fees. One would have thought a sale might have come from the likes of the African sub continent were certain airforces may need the likes of a well maintain, cheap to buy fleet, think about it, these are going for less than the price of a new Cessna 172 with a cache of spare engines thrown..

If the company is based there, they may well have a set area of parking in their lease so will not be incurring any parking fees. One would have thought a sale might have come from the likes of the African sub continent were certain airforces may need the likes of a well maintain, cheap to buy fleet, think about it, these are going for less than the price of a new Cessna 172 with a cache of spare engines thrown..

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One related point – having been parked out at Kemble for some nine months, surely these six aircraft are accumulating parking fees are a rapid rate?

Could it end up with them being, in effect, “abandoned”, and seized by the owners of Kemble airfield in lieu of unpaid parking fees? (Not the first time that has happened to airframes parked out for long periods…)

Although it has not happened, yet, the owners of these six Dominies could be, one day, put under pressure to shift them, to prevent them “taking root”.

As stated above, the longer they are sat out in the open, the more they will deteriorate, making them ever hard to sell on. These six airframes are a “tough sell” as they are now – probably impossible to sell on once they’re encrusted with weeds/moss/bird droppings

As for being “parted out”, as I said, because these are very early Series 1 airframes, few, if any parts would be re-useable in any other later HS.125s. I’m sure that very few 1965-66 vintage HS.125s are still flying, and in need of parts.

A prospective buyer may have have to buy at least three (plus the engines) just to keep one flying: one as a flyer, and two as spares hulks to keep the flying one going!

Dominies for sale

One related point – having been parked out at Kemble for some nine months, surely these six aircraft are accumulating parking fees are a rapid rate?

Could it end up with them being, in effect, “abandoned”, and seized by the owners of Kemble airfield in lieu of unpaid parking fees? (Not the first time that has happened to airframes parked out for long periods…)

Although it has not happened, yet, the owners of these six Dominies could be, one day, put under pressure to shift them, to prevent them “taking root”.

As stated above, the longer they are sat out in the open, the more they will deteriorate, making them ever hard to sell on. These six airframes are a “tough sell” as they are now – probably impossible to sell on once they’re encrusted with weeds/moss/bird droppings

As for being “parted out”, as I said, because these are very early Series 1 airframes, few, if any parts would be re-useable in any other later HS.125s. I’m sure that very few 1965-66 vintage HS.125s are still flying, and in need of parts.

A prospective buyer may have have to buy at least three (plus the engines) just to keep one flying: one as a flyer, and two as spares hulks to keep the flying one going!

Plus if they are airworthy, having them scattered about in various museums may well bring up various issues on that front, also you would need to get them there,I bet the US reg was to permit a ferry flight only.

Plus if they are airworthy, having them scattered about in various museums may well bring up various issues on that front, also you would need to get them there,I bet the US reg was to permit a ferry flight only.