Dove/Heron Identification

I remember seeing G-APMV at Edinburgh carrying the Paris code. Can it be all those years ago? Did their other one G-ASCX also carry Paris codes?

Here’s pictures of both of them around that time

http://www.edendale.co.uk/MAIP/CORP.BC2.html

Sorry, only thumbnails – can’t open the pictures! 😮

516L will be a Paris Air Show ID code. Unless you had a pre-booked slot you would not be allowed to land at Le Bourget during the period of the air show. Each successful request was issued with a Paris Show ID code which was required to be applied to the aircraft.

As I recall the additional letter ‘L’ stands for Liaison – a company comms liaison flight – and not an exhibition aircraft.

Checking through colour slides of DH Herons, I photographed Ferranti’s G-APMV on 11 June 1969. At the time it was wearing Paris ID code 526L.

The colour scheme of G-APMV matches the same layout as the other Heron nose in the opening thread message. So my guess is both aircraft ‘may’ have been photographed in June 1969

My records of the Paris Air Show show that there was only one Heron at a time, 1961 G-AVTU (516L) and 1969 G-AMPV (526L)
I want to add the whole pic so that you can see – G-APMV at this time has no ID code.
Thanks a lot for clarifying 🙂

I remember seeing G-APMV at Edinburgh carrying the Paris code. Can it be all those years ago? Did their other one G-ASCX also carry Paris codes?

Here’s pictures of both of them around that time

http://www.edendale.co.uk/MAIP/CORP.BC2.html

516L will be a Paris Air Show ID code. Unless you had a pre-booked slot you would not be allowed to land at Le Bourget during the period of the air show. Each successful request was issued with a Paris Show ID code which was required to be applied to the aircraft.

As I recall the additional letter ‘L’ stands for Liaison – a company comms liaison flight – and not an exhibition aircraft.

Checking through colour slides of DH Herons, I photographed Ferranti’s G-APMV on 11 June 1969. At the time it was wearing Paris ID code 526L.

The colour scheme of G-APMV matches the same layout as the other Heron nose in the opening thread message. So my guess is both aircraft ‘may’ have been photographed in June 1969

I have to make a correction:

A Heron was at the 1961 and 1969 Paris Air Show!
1961 ???
1969 G-APMV

In the book from Don Berliner ‘The Paris Air Show’ the aircrafts wearing only number marks.

Thanks, clear, so the the ‘Paris Air Show’ is the red herring in this puzzle!:)

Lucky – but the puzzle still exists 😮

Thanks, clear, so the the ‘Paris Air Show’ is the red herring in this puzzle!:)

1) the Heron with the 516L mark is definitely G-AVTU
2) G-AVTU was manufactured in 1967
3) there was only once a Heron at the Paris Air Show: 1961, and I don’t know which one
My conclusion: the 516L mark isn’t from The Paris Air Show
And I don’t know the date of the pic
Martin

Now I know that only 1961 was a Heron at the Paris Air Show.
G-AVTU was manufactured in 1967!Martin

So please clarify, 516L is not G-AVTU because it was manufactured in 1967 and your photo is positively taken in 1961?:confused:

To me 516L looks like one of the codes they use on the Paris Airshow Aircraft ??

Duxman

Now I know that only 1961 was a Heron at the Paris Air Show.
G-AVTU was manufactured in 1967!

Martin

10 out of 10 for Leader12uk !
G-AVTU in 1971 had the same color scheme (1967 – 1974).
This is a horizontal flip from the pic at airliners.net

heron

Correct we havnt 100% proved it, but its pointing towards it – c/s same. what we need now is a full list from the paris shows at around that time (scramble only shows the military from that that time)

IF it is c/n 14148, here it is as N587PR later in life but not sure if we have proved it was G-AVTU?:confused:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0385307&WxsIERv=Qr%20Univyynaq%20QU-114%20Ureba&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Zvnzv%20-%20Xraqnyy-Gnzvnzv%20Rkrphgvir%20%28Arj%20Gnzvnzv%29%20%28GZO%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Sybevqn&ktODMp=Whar%2013%2C%202001&BP=0&WNEb25u=Rqtne%20Orhtryf&xsIERvdWdsY=A587CE&MgTUQtODMgKE=Abg%20znal%20bs%20gurfr%20nebhaq%20nalzber&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=853&NEb25uZWxs=2003-07-19%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=14148&static=yes&width=1024&height=782&sok=JURER%20%20%28cubgb_qngr%20%20%3D%20%27Whar%2013%2C%202001%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=4&prev_id=0732423&next_id=0341498

Heron

The name on the front is HS HERON and if it is the same aircraft (Its the same c/s in both photos it has HAWKER SIDLEY on the fuslage.

I can only find one company hack

How about de Havilland, as that’s who built them. Nothing to do with Hawker Siddeley at the time.

Heron

Just checking various prod lists and there seems to be only one heron registered with Hawker Siddley and that was this one in 1968. (c/n 14148)

Heron

It is in the company scheme and looking at the name, which seems to be the same shape!!! (using elements to try and get the name). Just need to check on how many company a/c there were.

I think you will find it is the company demostrator G-AVTU. Do a search on airliners.net

That’s what I was doing yesterday and didn’t find it then and this photo doesn’t prove it either!

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=De+Havilland+DH-114+Heron&airlinesearch=&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&daterange=&keywords=G-AVTU&range=1&sort_order=&page_limit=15&thumbnails=&calccount=1141471&truecount=false&engine_version=6.0

Heron

I think you will find it is the company demostrator G-AVTU. Do a search on airliners.net

Most definitely NOT a Sea Heron.

I fully agree! Isn’t there a specialist for the Paris Airshow? Thanks so far to all!

Martin