Duxford Flightline rules

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SteveYoung
[B]I can’t quite see why everyone gets so het up about Hi Viz jackets. It’s a safety enhancement, not a fashion statement.

Boll*cks !!!! , you wear it ‘cos it matches the colour of your car !

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I can’t quite see why everyone gets so het up about Hi Viz jackets. It’s a safety enhancement, not a fashion statement.

At Cambridge, we’re obliged to wear them at all times while airside. Fair enough, rules are rules, and everyone obeys. But at Leicester there is no rule in force, yet I chose to keep mine on when I was there. It’s just my twopenneth, but I’d much rather be seen, than run the risk of the consequences of NOT being seen.

That seems to be precicely the point we’re talking about Moggy.
H&S is all very well but should be tempered with common sense but, the HSE being a government body, we all know that is not going to happen.

There’s a time and a place for everything.

Once a year a group of GA pilots gather together to give free rides to badly-burned children camping at Grafham Water.

With a lot of movements from varied types and pilots of differing skill levels we have mandated that no group moves airside unless one of the leaders is with them, hi-vizzed to the nines.

Sensible.

The problem comes when I land my little PA22 at some near GA airfield with about two movements an hour and get accosted by some jobsworth for daring to walk towards the cafe without a HV jacket. And it does happen

Bureaucracy gone mad.

Moggy

PS, she is way fit in the picture!!!

who is she does anybody know?

I guess the two people behind her would know if the post here

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Ok Hi Viz,

I think its really a good idea that people working out on the pans and marshaling aircraft should be seen, but why all and sundri wear them in the static parks at show is beyond me as I said before i work in the enviroment of , hard hat, hard boots, gloves, glasses, hi-vi vest, this is all to do with PPP rules,
but when now the likes of a Gas Fitter working on you boiler in you carpeted house is not allowed to take his humping great Toe Tector boots off to work in your is going to far, British Gas rules !!!

rant back on

I moved Auster G-AOBV into storage in Cheshunt . In it’s past it had been involved in the death of a person whilst taxying at Manchester. I guess quite a few incidents have happened over the years – I would hate to speculate if this has been reduced
since the introduction of hi-viz but from my experience at Cottesmore with eighteen aircraft on the pan it was certainly necessary to use it.

Moggy

How many people have been killed or seriously wounded on UK GA fields by being run over by pilots who didn’t see them in the last ten years?

I will accept zero, though I don’t know for sure

However how many people have been run over by vehicles working air-side?

Nitram

Nitram.

Your arguments, based on experience have some validity, but still represent the same mindset as the copper’s “Listen sonny, if you had to attend the road accidents I do you wouldn’t be doing 32 mph in a 30 mph zone”

How many people have been killed or seriously wounded on UK GA fields by being run over by pilots who didn’t see them in the last ten years?

If you don’t know, the answer is ZERO

Moggy

‘Heath and safety is pants’ -until of course when something goes wrong and then people take it on board. I was involved in an accident four years ago involving unguarded machinery – I can assure you it’s far better to have sensible steps made to prevent accidents.
The RAF had many accidents even after the introduction of the act in 1974. Every one of the accidents I can recall happened not as an act of war but in the normal course of peacetime.
A particular example that springs to mind was a ground
engineer working on a Nimrod . The engines were started whilst
he was inspecting the intake and he was starved of oxygen.
He survived only for a couple more days before his life support machine was switched off. I can think of numerous practices
that were carried out in my service life that wouldn’t be even contemplated now . For instance cleaning walls with M.E.K
for inspections with no respirators – the list is endless.

HEATH AND SAFETY IS PANTS

Sorry I cannot let that go. Health and Safety does not always allow you to do what you might like, but it is there for a reason. The following are accidents I’ve investigated in the last year:

The man that broke his back falling 30ft from a gantry because he was not wearing his safety harness

The woman knocked over in a factory by the lift truck because she was in an area she should not have been in and not wearing hi vis, so he did not see her

The man who got his right arm mangled in the machine because it was unguarded

The man who died because the brakes on his vehicle had not been properly naintained

I could go on and on, and probably on

I wish you could come with me to the partner of some of these people and explain that health and safety is pants

Rant over, teddy secured in pram again

Nitram

This health and safety stuff is all very well but the regulations are so restrictive in some cases that the only way to comply is to sit in the canteen and not move. You may laugh but they have even stuck their oar in with the Armed Forces and the MOD didn’t have the guts to say “s*d off, if you want the country protected leave us to do the job”. To be honest the Forces don’t need this H&S cr*p as they take great care to minimise the danger in everything they do(in peace time, we know that in war it all goes out the window anyway.)

Dear Janie,,, Looks like i toyned hirish wid dat dar tread

you know wot i meen dont ya SEXY ? nah way bud

Originally posted by Radial
OMG well I guess that really wraps this tread up.

Dear Radial – or should it be Crossply?
I’ve never tried putting my HVJ on a tyre. (read your note again!)
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Originally posted by Janie
I definitely feel a lot healthier wearing one.:p

Actually, I think they are very very sexy.

OMG well I guess that really wraps this tread up.

Adam…surely you have to admit that those jackets are better than the lurrrrverly ties the MA’s have to wear? I HATED my tie when I was an MA…and the epaulettes??? (not sure about the spelling) Waaaaaaaaaaaaah! 😀 In contrast to the Duxford MA’s invigilation uniform, have you seen the nice (well as nice as uniform gets) suits and shirts that the Lambeth Road MA’s wear? A definite improvement on the Duxford uniforms for sure…:p

“Getting right on my Boobies?”

Interesting quote…have to remember that one.

I was single at DX in 2000 and 2001, no one gave ME a bright yellow vest to wear…might’ve made some PROGRESS if I had one….still, had to stick close to Geoff Seward because he had one on….did the flightline photo walk with him and a bunch of folks from the States. Good stuff. Course, in the US, we don’t have to worry about this stuff, but then you have folks on all sides of the planes and you can’t get a clear shot.

Mark

I once told a Health and Safety spy bird to **** off and let me get on with my job. I also told her she was causing an obstruction.

You see, there was only really room for one person between the two lanes of vehicles driving onto the boat.

I was reported for not wearing a high vis jacket, and informed I should stand at the side. I pointed out that a high vis jacket would be nowhere near as effective as the Metz flash gun that was being used on full power at every car that came on the boat (at about 5 mph), that the side would give me no way to dodge if need be, would mean 50% of the cars I needed to snap not getting snapped, etc. I repeated to my boss that said lady could **** off, that I wasn’t complying, and that as it would adversely affect my bonus he could **** off too.

And I didn’t comply. That year, or the next. ******s.

At the risk of dooming this thread to oblivion I must admit to very much liking the hi-viz jackets that can now be bought from another well known GA magazine.

As well as the mags namestyle the jacket carries the apposite slogan

“I’m wearing this jacket to cover somebody elses ar*e”

Moggy

These blooming health and safety matters are getting right on my boobies
At work now we have to wear them with gloves hats n boots and safety glasses !

So how the hell did we ever get born to this life as before all this heath and safety our parents could not have survived getting out of nappies

HEATH AND SAFETY IS PANTS its brought in by the people who do not have to carry out the works involved clad in said atire and then can say to you ” have u not completed that task yet ?”

sorry rant over