Early French Aviation Pics

Wonderful stuff 🙂

Some of the pre-1914 shots would be good candidates for the “wot-plane” thread!!

Thank you for posting.

Roger Smith.

GREAT stuff.

First photo is of VH-UAZ:

http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/General%20Aircraft%20Monospar%20ST.11%20VH-UAZ.htm

Bit survived until 1972.

A colleague of mine was owner of another Aussie based Monospar now under restoration back in the UK at Newark.

I’ve never understood the advantages of the patented Monospar design. But they are attractively crystalline aircraft.

Cheers,

OK… I posted another 12 picts on flickr…

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gms_enterprises

These are just 12 of 28 from the GAL brochure we have

enjoy!

Graham, I’d love to see the ADC photos.

Hell, yes. All of it please!

There’s a museum who might just find the Monospar material of use, too…

Fascinating stuff, thaks for sharing.

As to the pointlessly locked horns –

The ones I have I KNOW are originals – so there is no problem there….

They aren’t known as ‘prints’ for nothing. If you have the original negatives, the conversation might make some sense, but it’s a big assumption that a set of contemporary prints is the only set in existence; or ‘original’.

It’s all irrelevant as they should be well out of copyright, anyway.

France boasts a number of high quality aviation magazines and, as any good bookshop in the country demonstrates, a wealth of good books on the French aviation industry and military history. Of course these are written in French.
Is this unreasonable?
A number of French magazines accept and publish articles by non French speaking historians; which they translate into French.
Perhaps we should encourage our editors to solicit more articles from French and other European authors which they could translate into English and publish.
It’s a thought!

Absolutely. There’s a huge world of aviation out there, built into linguistic, cultural and nationalistic ‘silos’ by language differences. I always find in interesting to get my mitts on a foreign language magazine and puzzle out what I can – often with aviation history the English-only speaker remains blissfully ignorant of.

Regards,

I wonder if that is the one that Aeroarchives was selling on eBay.fr a couple of years ago and for which I was the unsuccessful underbidder!

Errrr…. no! – my copy I got in a junk shop about nine years ago!

Its no surprise, the French aviation industry has always been characterised by a singular lack of clientele who speak English as a first language:D

Er, how many Jodels are there on the British civil register? I think that, as a theory, the proof for this one is leaves something to be desired.

and a General Aircraft ‘Monospar’ sales booklet that shows the production process with actual photographs, not pictures.

I wonder if that is the one that Aeroarchives was selling on eBay.fr a couple of years ago and for which I was the unsuccessful underbidder!

For what it’s worth, we also have a large collection of around 50 black and white Bristol Brabazon 8 x 10s originals, a set of pictures taken at the Air Disposal Company at Waddon, Croydon, and a General Aircraft ‘Monospar’ sales booklet that shows the production process with actual photographs, not pictures. I’ll be happy to post some of those as well if anyone interested!

Well, so far the ones you have posted on this forum and your blogspot are exactly the same. So no need for the sarcy responce!

‘I have the exact same collection…’

The ones I have I KNOW are originals – so there is no problem there. However, I am puzzled by one thing, and so I must ask one question – I have only posted a total of 13 images so unless you are able to teleport into my archives (or have been able to hack my hard-drives *grins*) – how could you possibly know what the rest of the pictures I have?

You have my sympathies, moley. Assuming that the collections of photos were sold to both you and Graham as being original and period, it looks as if someone has been economical with the truth – unless multiple prints were produced in the early part of the last century. From whom and through what medium did you obtain your collection? Presumably it was not from Graham’s French collector friend.

What, all 300 plus of them?

Yes, complete with stamp on rear, hand written pencil description. Totally gutted. Thought I had something unique. Was planning to publish an english/french book as well!!

The ‘Provinence’ -they are all 130mm x 100mm on very thin ‘proof’ photographic paper. They have either ‘Agence ROL DEVRED, 4 Rue Ricker Paris IX’ or “Meurisse” 9 Faubourg, Monmartre, Paris rubber stamped on the rear, with some form of ‘caption’ scribbled in pencil alongside. A few appear on a Past to Present Gallery website, but the ones we acquired via a French collector friend are genuine contemporary items we think. As far as captions/descriptions (if I am reading them correctly) gms781a is captioned ‘manoeuvrs de Picardie 1910’. gms803a ’29/10/1911 Moissoy – nacelle du dirrigeible Lt Selle de Beauchamp. gms945a is simply dated ‘1919’.

Funny this. I have the exact same collection on heavy weight photographic paper, all original?

What, all 300 plus of them?

France boasts a number of high quality aviation magazines and, as any good bookshop in the country demonstrates, a wealth of good books on the French aviation industry and military history. Of course these are written in French.
Is this unreasonable?
A number of French magazines accept and publish articles by non French speaking historians; which they translate into French.
Perhaps we should encourage our editors to solicit more articles from French and other European authors which they could translate into English and publish.
It’s a thought!

talk about “coals to Newcastle”
I do wholeheartedly agree though there is a distinct (and lamentable) lack of English-language printed material on the French Aviation industry.

Roger Smith.

Its no surprise, the French aviation industry has always been characterised by a singular lack of clientele who speak English as a first language:D

The ‘Provinence’ -they are all 130mm x 100mm on very thin ‘proof’ photographic paper. They have either ‘Agence ROL DEVRED, 4 Rue Ricker Paris IX’ or “Meurisse” 9 Faubourg, Monmartre, Paris rubber stamped on the rear, with some form of ‘caption’ scribbled in pencil alongside. A few appear on a Past to Present Gallery website, but the ones we acquired via a French collector friend are genuine contemporary items we think. As far as captions/descriptions (if I am reading them correctly) gms781a is captioned ‘manoeuvrs de Picardie 1910’. gms803a ’29/10/1911 Moissoy – nacelle du dirrigeible Lt Selle de Beauchamp. gms945a is simply dated ‘1919’.

Funny this. I have the exact same collection on heavy weight photographic paper, all original?

well, I’ll ask him but I don’t think he’ll be very keen

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and I suppose they asked you, but you have already got them?:diablo:

I’ve posted another 10 early ones on this flickr page….enjoy! http://www.flickr.com/photos/gms_enterprises

Recently we acquired quite a large collection (300+ images) of early French aircraft, and shots taken at some of the Paris exhibitions. It’s sort of funny in that we contacted one french Aviation Museum to see if they were interested in getting copies, a gentleman replied when we told him what we had ‘You cannot have them – you are English!’

Anyways, we like to share, and perhaps some folks can have fun identifying some of the aircraft shown! If there is enough interest, I’ll post more!

1st picture: Maurice Farman III
2d picture: crew of the airship Lebaudy called Lt. Selle de Beauchamp
3d picture: