Electional surprise in France

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 28-04-02 AT 02:17 PM (GMT)]Here’s an exemple of how extreme right tries to attract people with stupid pamflets. Stop Belgian occupation! Republic of Flanders

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How else to explain? Maybe because people are just bored these days … they want something new, more exitment. Or they just want to punish the current government, not because they were so bad, but because they are too boring (explains succes of Fortuyn in Nederland). We in the west are so lucky, OK there are still people living in miserable conditions, but we have good social securities, education. If people throw their vote away (= voting extreme right), than that’s their choise. If they want to give up the social security, democracy … just move to Zimbabwe. 81 % (current polls) are in favour of democracy. The 20 % who voted extreme right must understand that their party will never govern, it can only influence current policies. In Austria, popular right has already lost many votes.

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Geforce

I believe there is alot of truth in your comment that its a vote between democacy and fascism. Fascists know how to exploit discontent among the population. Possibly the French voters are like voters in other western countries and are just fed up being ruled by the same old gang of smug and mediocre politicians flogging their liberal, politically correct crap. How else to explain Le Pin in France, Pim Fortuyn in The Netherlands, the Popular Party in Portugal, Progress Party in Norway, Danish Peoples Party, Forza Italia, Northern League, National Alliance, etc.

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 27-04-02 AT 09:30 AM (GMT)]Blame Canada !!! Blame Canada!!!!

😉

Anyway, it’s not only the left wing parties that were defeated, also the right wingers. Let’s not forget that. Chirac is not exactly a socialist, and he’s also lost thousands of votes. It’s really a vote between democracy and … uhhm, let’s just say fascism, between right and wrong, NOT between left or right.

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Quiet you, or I’ll lead the rag-tag Canadian army on another march to D.C. and once again burn down the White House! 😛

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 25-04-02 AT 10:10 PM (GMT)]Is he the Vichey France candidate? }> }> }>

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“It seems that France is dealing with something of a protest against leftwing policies which have been strong on promoting liberal ideals, big government, collective rights as opposed to individual rights, pro-immigration, pro-European union at the expense of traditional French values etc., while being soft on crime and government corruption.”

Which is why I voted for Le Pen…

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Well Rosco you are correct, the US has its share of political and social problems no doubt about it, but at the moment at least, the French political spectrum (if that is a good term) is much broader with respect to left, right and centre with more than one party representing each view, some quite extreme and the crime issue is a major deal with immigration overtones I believe.

Note that the three major parties didn’t poll much more than 50% of the votes cast so there are a significant number of lesser parties, many of which are quite far to the left or right or with very specific issues. One got 5% of the vote on just one issue, hunting and fishing rights! The US parties are all more or less in the centre and govern that way regardless of who wins.

It seems that France is dealing with something of a protest against leftwing policies which have been strong on promoting liberal ideals, big government, collective rights as opposed to individual rights, pro-immigration, pro-European union at the expense of traditional French values etc., while being soft on crime and government corruption.

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[i] “It would seem the French political system is rather corrupt, reactionary, crime tolerent and just generally incapable of identifying with the concerns of many of the average citizens who then either don’t vote or vote for the right wing parties who make crime an issue and link it to immigration.”
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Completely unlike the American political system? 😉

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Well Le Pen is anti-semitic but at least he is a equal-opportunity anti-semitic, as he hates both the Arabs and the Jews.

It would seem the French political system is rather corrupt, reactionary, crime tolerent and just generally incapable of identifying with the concerns of many of the average citizens who then either don’t vote or vote for the right wing parties who make crime an issue and link it to immigration.

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 23-04-02 AT 07:24 PM (GMT)]Yeah, I have to agree. The lefties don’t need to cry, they had the chance of voting, instead they stead home eating croissants and drinking cafe au lait }>

Vote escroc, pas fasco!!

(vote swindler, not fascist)

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Pretty fair analysis Rabie !

I agree .

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i blame the french electoral system.

eveyone in france “knew” (:D 😀 :D) that jospin and chirac would go to round 2 so enough people stay at home or have a protest vote.

they showed on the news a french socalisist and her thought about why they hadn’t made it and she was living in cloud cookooo land !!! – french politicans are not acountable, and alwayys survive so the voter never feels they cna get rid of them

another problem is the divsion of the specrtrum – in the uk we have 3 broad parties which in french system would relaly be 5 small parties plus bigger smaller parties. in the uk the whole idea of coalitions are scarry, wierd, and worrying but on the conitnet they are the norm. coalitions mean that the public always get the same people in power and don’t ahve any real hard policies implemented.

quite simply thtere are 5 left wing parties in france occupying roughly 40% adn ??? right wing ocuupying 60% – this is static on 95 but wiht lower turnout. frnace needs broader parties so the 1st rounfd would be wiredos and the two main parties and thats it (like us elections)

BUT we all know that chirac will win so this huge liberal and socalist upror is ironicallly funny as it really thier own fault.

rabie :9

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Yeah, you get over it … we in Belgium are getting used of this #####.

Ooh, our leader of the Vlaams Blok already congratulated Le Pen for his victory. He’s about the only one in Europe who did so. Says a lot about these people.

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Yep ,

i’m really ashamed to be French today. After years of pitiful management
our establishment begins to get what he asked for.

Sad day for Europe and democracy

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I am not so surprised. He has been giving a big support by some people. I want to say something. Democracy is a great thing and we have to defend it at all costs. We have written constitutions and the oppinion of the people should be sacret. But someone who represent an insult to democracy, who manteins no constitutional policies, someone who pretends violating the human rights of minorities shouldn´t be permitted to go to general elections. If the Nazi party is not permitted why this party is allowed. It´s really sad, but sometimes people is not able to vote properly, see Hitler.

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 22-04-02 AT 05:23 PM (GMT)]Le Pen is another fine example of new born fascits in Europe. People who have voted for him, must understand that they just voted against the “egalité, liberté, fraternité”. It’s a disgrace for France this has happened, we had similar elections in Belgium 10 years ago with the Vlaams Blok, now they are the 3rd biggest party in Flanders! Voting extreme right is dangerous.

Le Pen has said in the past that the holocaust was only a detail of the WWII. The ambassador of Israel has already asked Jews to move out of France if Le Pen becomes President. Ofcourse, we know this won’t happen, because the majority of people in France want to keep democracy (for which they foughted) at all costs, it doesn’t matter if they are left or rightwingers.

VOTE CHIRAC

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Well hopefully Le Pen won’t win the election,other mainstream politicians are telling their supporters to vote for Cirac.I believe that the French election was mainly concentrated on France’s social problems with crime ect.If Le Pen won the second round of elections (which is very unlikely)then he would be a dager to France especially if you consider that he blames most of the social problems on the immigrants.This has lead to protests in many French cities some leading to violence.