Electoral Reform

Well according to these results only one-in-five Scots want independence (and I know that many will have voted tactically since it wasn’t a referendum on independence)…..but almost as many Scots voted Conservative.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/region/7.stm

Irrespective of the emotion of the issue it seems clear that Scotland would be poorer, much poorer, if it was independent.

Many Scots want independence. Many English people want them to have independence.

And many Scots don’t want independance.

I, for one am against independance. I see it offering no real value to our country, and as more of a show of a nationalistic government craving power. It is a wasted effort, whn other, better servings things could be done.

Yes, but had they been an independent country during the banking crisis, they couldn’t have afforded to bail out RBS!

Yes, but don’t worry. SNP policy is to join the Euro so there will be no problems in the financial department.

I think we really do have agreement nowadays. Many Scots want independence. Many English people want them to have independence – it’s only fair after all, why should they be shackled to us?

You only have to go to Scotland and see all the T-shirts with pictures of an Australian multi-millionaire on them with some stuff like

“Ye can take oor lives, but ye cannee take oor freedom”

to see how nationalistic they all are up there

Moggy

Al – that sounds like a good offer. Oil revenues are budgeted at about £8.5billion this year so 92% of that is about £7.8 billion. Scotland costs Central Government about £33 billion currently so you can have the oil and save the Central Government cash.

There was a report a couple of years ago which, if memory serves correctly, stated that even if Scotland had kept all the revenue from oil since 1980 it still would have been in deficit for all but 4 of the years.

Please do all you can to achieve independence for England – I think that would be a fantastic dream come true!

Certainly. I am a dyed-in-the-wool supporter of independence / home rule for Scotland and Wales and will do everything in my power to help out.

Moggy

The real need is to stop the Scots and Welsh, who have a perfectly good parliaments of their own, having such an influence on the rest of the UK.
Time for true independence for England I reckon
Moggy

By ‘the rest of the UK’ do you mean England and Northern Ireland, or do you mean a ‘United Kingdom’ with only one country in it?;)
Please do all you can to achieve independence for England – I think that would be a fantastic dream come true!
I chatted with my local SNP MP last week, and he affirmed that under international laws (that have already been ratified), 92% of North Sea oil, present and future, would be in Scottish territorial waters.
Would you like a loan, at very reasonable rates?

Well, maybe not that bad, but England would have a Conservative government now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/region/48.stm

The real need is to stop the Scots and Welsh, who have a perfectly good parliaments of their own, having such an influence on the rest of the UK.

Take all the Scottish and Welsh constituencies out of it and labour are somewhere just a little ahead of the greens, bnp and monster raving loony party.

Time for true independence for England I reckon

Moggy

The factor that Liebour have had 13 years to sort this out, but only now will consider it in order to save their, frankly worthless skins, makes me laugh too.
And the fact that, as they are always the bridesmaid, the LibDems will jump into bed with anyone to try and get some fix for their lust for power, makes it seem that the election was all for nothing.

I hear some ‘pundits’ going on about how this shows the voters wanted a change in the electoral system but I suspect that is a biased viewpoint from some – the only change I read into this election is a desire to see the back of Liebour and the noses-in-the-trough Liebour MPs….

…under PR the BNP would have about 30 seats at Westminster.

More like twelve seats (563,743 votes) actually…

…but that’s more than the Green Party (285,616 votes), who got a seat, and more than the SNP (491,386 votes) who got six seats.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/

But who is to say with PR how people would vote?

That is undeniable – I was just wondering if that reality had crossed many peoples’ minds….

I wonder if any of the the three main parties has realised that under PR the BNP would have about 30 seats at Westminster. Now that really is democracy!:cool:

As someone who could quite happily shoot Nick Griffin and do the time, I think that if PR gives the BNP some seats in Parliament it is a price we must pay, that is democracy and everyone who gets enough votes gets a say!

It’s always been blindingly obvious why the Liberals want PR and the others do not. I wonder if any of the the three main parties has realised that under PR the BNP would have about 30 seats at Westminster. Now that really is democracy!:cool:

Being a Lib Dem supporter, In British politics anyway, I think the sooner this country moves into the 21st Century like the rest of Europe the better and we will have many move people voting Lib Dem and we can have a properly representative system of govt!

In more modern voting systems like Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic, non majoritarian systems have provided stable representative government

Yes, that amused me too! If they really wanted PR why not introduce it after their landslide victory in 1997? With Lib-Dem backing then who could have stopped them?

But no, Labour only started talking about PR when it looked like they’d lose the general election. :rolleyes:

The loser usually mentions PR,nulabour had 13 yrs to change the system to PR but funny old thing …they never did LOL :rolleyes:
Broon,Mandy and Darling…what a bunch of TWA Teas :rolleyes:

But how many more people would vote Lib-Dem (say) if their votes were all to count in a PR system?

On the whole I tend to favour a system closer to PR; it seems to work for countries like Germany…

…but I don’t think absolute democracy is workable.