Empire of the Sun Mustangs…

If that was ‘Jugboat’ then this must be ‘Jwilight Jear’ :rolleyes:

http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51/survivors/pages/picpages/44-63864/44-63864-p19.html

Question – are any of the aircraft named in Ballard’s book?

And if you want to try and track it to the end, see if you can track down the Art Dept. Good luck…

I read Ballard’s book a long time ago but I don’t think
he ever named them.
Since DIGBY was there he would be correct, no dealt
about it – did he work on the film?

Several Journalists around my office looked at the above
photo and thought it was a “J” like I did. In researching movie
avaition I find you go 10 steps back for every step forward.

Although I’ve corrected my movie database to “Tugboat”
I did some digging and found the “Jugboat” term to be
a type of Asian river boat sort of like the “lorry” version of
a Sampan.

Interesting, Simon. The people who chose and applied the markins would have (I presume) been the film’s Art Department. It could be they meant ‘Jugboat’, having done a bit more research than most… but that wasn’t ever passed onto the flying team, and they surmised it must be ‘Tugboat’.

Difficult to pin down for certain, as Digby says (and he was there) it was Tugboat to the guys in the aerial team.

Question – are any of the aircraft named in Ballard’s book?

And if you want to try and track it to the end, see if you can track down the Art Dept. Good luck… 😀

True, True…good excuse to fly with the canopy back though and an elbow
on the sill, maybe chomping a cigar, ha ha.

The initial letter does indeed look like a ‘J’; I understand it was to be read as a script ‘t’. However it was referred to as ‘Tugboat’ by those involved in the filming at the time, and that’s what we called it when I saw it after the filming. I’d never heard ‘jugboat’ as a term until reading it here. Ref Warbirds Worldwide 2.

Although I’ve corrected my movie database to “Tugboat”
I did some digging and found the “Jugboat” term to be
a type of Asian river boat sort of like the “lorry” version of
a Sampan.

I still say its the coolest fighter of WW2 regardless of stature, everyones got their right to an opinion correct.

Apparently so, but I’m not sure why everyone’s got a ‘right to an opinion’. No one’s come up with a watertight reason, AFAIK 😀

That said, it was an old joke between me and the late Paul Coggan. He loved the Mustang, I left him to it and did everything else. There’s a lot more to life than P-51Ds. 😉

Anyway, it doesn’t need to be a very warm day under that canopy to make the pilot sweat…

Don’t mind me…:rolleyes:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Beck
I was of the opinion Jugboat is a reference
to “a jug of beer”???
I cannot imagine why anyone would name
the coolest WW2 fighter a “Tugboat”?

Coolest? It’s an enclosed cockpit with a bubble canopy that only turned up after the hard yards were over!

I still say its the coolest fighter of WW2 regardless of
stature, everyones got their right to an opinion correct.

G-PSID

G-PSID/FAZFI

G-HAEC with original tail artwork…

Was Moose actually repainted or was it a water soluble paint,for the film?

Also the ‘tail art’ on Missy Wong was changed after the film as the original was considered a bit ugly…….

The above picture is the newer design, very nice too……:rolleyes:
Alan.

Tugboat/Jugboat?……sorry, pics taken form the wrong side, how inconsiderate (Duxford October 1987)

And OFMC’s taken May 1988

TFC wasted no time repainting their P51 (October 1987 again)

I can assure every body that it was “Tugboat” you can take that as absolutly correct.

The dangers of forcing ideas to fit after the fact – 😉

This is very interesting – I find theres
an equal number of sources quoting
G-PSID as named Jugboat or Tugboat
in Empire of the Sun.

The sources quoting ‘Jugboat’ will be secondary, I’m expecting sometime after the filming, based on photo interpretation.

I was of the opinion Jugboat is a reference
to “a jug of beer”???
I cannot imagine why anyone would name
the coolest WW2 fighter a “Tugboat”?

Coolest? It’s an enclosed cockpit with a bubble canopy that only turned up after the hard yards were over! 😉

This is very interesting – I find theres
an equal number of sources quoting
G-PSID as named Jugboat or Tugboat
in Empire of the Sun.

The initial letter does indeed look like a ‘J’; I understand it was to be read as a script ‘t’. However it was referred to as ‘Tugboat’ by those involved in the filming at the time, and that’s what we called it when I saw it after the filming. I’d never heard ‘jugboat’ as a term until reading it here. Ref Warbirds Worldwide 2.

Definitely looks like “Tugboat” to me – the bottom part of the T is kinda curled under, making it look like a J.

“Tugboat” sounds a bit better than “Jugboat”, however….

Jugboat or Tugboat

This is very interesting – I find theres
an equal number of sources quoting
G-PSID as named Jugboat or Tugboat
in Empire of the Sun.

So I put the DVD on and paused it at
the waving fly-by and it looks to me that
its a “J” not a “T”.
The word is a bit rough but I reckon it
says “Jugboat”, I am open to anyones
opinion with more direct knowledge
and am interested to hear more.

I was of the opinion Jugboat is a reference
to “a jug of beer”???
I cannot imagine why anyone would name
the coolest WW2 fighter a “Tugboat”?

Simon

There was a quote at the time of filming, I think from Hoof or maybe Mark (altho now I’ve said that it will probably turn out to be Ray..) something along the lines of either “not many other people out dropping bombs from P51’s today” or “we’re probably the last pilots to drop bombs from Mustangs”

That was most deffinately HOOF

There was a quote at the time of filming, I think from Hoof or maybe Mark (altho now I’ve said that it will probably turn out to be Ray..) something along the lines of either “not many other people out dropping bombs from P51’s today” or “we’re probably the last pilots to drop bombs from Mustangs”

[QUOTE=Franck66;1079840]One of the Mustang use in Emoire of the Sun was owned by Jean Salis, this one

G-PSID ex of Doug Arnold “Widowmaker” bought by SG used in the film then sold on to Jean Salis.

“P-51, CADILLAC OF THE SKY!”

Ah, memories of a great Flying Legends a couple of years ago 🙂

One of the Mustang use in Emoire of the Sun was owned by Jean Salis, this one

here were another color scheme : http://francewarbirds.free.fr/Photos/Jpg/p51-f-azfi-sol1.jpg

P-51 crashed en 1998 at La Roche Sur Yon

3 french T-6 was also used in this movie, 2 owned by AJBS member and another one owned by Aeroretro

here one of these T-6 during la Ferté Alais airshow few years ago

I have a picture too of the “Zero” fighter
Christian Bale played in early on in the film
at an airport somewhere in England, Bovington
I think?

Simon Beck
www.uswarplanes.net

Cripes – really? Any chance of a copy? Thats my/our T-6G 51-14700….

TT