By: greekdude1 - 17th January 2004 at 05:01
Originally posted by Hand87_5
Got the point here. But what’s the advantage over the B747?B747 is too big for some routes?
I don’t think the MD11F has an advantage over the 747F, per se. I just think airlines such as LH Cargo and FedEx are stocking up on 2nd hand MD11’s and converting them to freighters because they are considerably cheaper to purchase than a 747F of equal or lesser age and still have years of service left in them.
By: Hand87_5 - 16th January 2004 at 22:20
Just flew twice 2 years ago.
CDG-JFK and ATL -CDG with Delta. I love this bird…. but I already said that many times. Ageing ……….:rolleyes:
By: brenmcc1 - 16th January 2004 at 22:17
Never flown on an MD-11 now probabley never will 🙁
By: Hand87_5 - 16th January 2004 at 22:12
Got the point here. But what’s the advantage over the B747?
B747 is too big for some routes?
By: greekdude1 - 16th January 2004 at 19:25
Just to further add to this whole freighter discussion, the beauty of the freight industry is that they don’t have to fly say, LAX-SYD non-stop. Freighters make a tech stop in Anchorage, or in the Pacific somewhere, and that’s ok. Most humans prefer to fly non-stop, parcels don’t care, which is why the MD11 is a great freighter. Some of the routes it wasn’t able to fly as a pax plane, it doesn’t have to as a freighter, thus taking advantage of it’s large cargo volume.
By: KabirT - 16th January 2004 at 15:59
Originally posted by greekdude1
Not quite Kabir. The MD11 couldn’t touch the 777. Sales speak for themselves there. Boeing bought out McDonnel Douglas almost entirely for their military division.
oh yes thanx GD1…i have made this mistake before apparently.:p
By: Bmused55 - 16th January 2004 at 08:32
Originally posted by greekdude1
Not quite Kabir. The MD11 couldn’t touch the 777. Sales speak for themselves there. Boeing bought out McDonnel Douglas almost entirely for their military division.
Spot on GD!
The only time MD/DC posed any threat to Boeing was with their DC-8 many years ago. Boeing were finalising plans for the 707 and then the DC-8 was released. As a result the 707’s fuselage was widened slightly to allow 6 abreast seating, originally it was planned for 5.
Back on topic, The MD-11 was never much success as a PAX liner. Most airlines that used them for Pax have got rid of them in a fairly short space of time as opposed to other aircraft.
But, she makes a brilliant Cargo plane. With the wings so far back theres is plenty of room up front to maneuvre loading equipment without the risk of damaging the engines and such. I’m not sure about the range in a cargo config. But it must be adequate as FedEx own a nice fleet of MD-11F’s, aswell as UPS.
The MD-11 is sure to be in our skies for many years to come, albeit it in a Cargo role.
By: greekdude1 - 16th January 2004 at 07:28
Not quite Kabir. The MD11 couldn’t touch the 777. Sales speak for themselves there. Boeing bought out McDonnel Douglas almost entirely for their military division.
By: KabirT - 16th January 2004 at 06:57
Originally posted by greekdude1
It basically had disappointing performance compared to the A340. Even the ‘current’ model had numerous modifications to increase its range from the first ones off the line. In freighter configuration, performance decreases anyway, even for the 744, so then it wasn’t a factor for the MD11 in that standard.
Although the MD 11 was initially posing a threat to Boeing sales…..so they bought it off.
By: greekdude1 - 15th January 2004 at 20:08
It basically had disappointing performance compared to the A340. Even the ‘current’ model had numerous modifications to increase its range from the first ones off the line. In freighter configuration, performance decreases anyway, even for the 744, so then it wasn’t a factor for the MD11 in that standard.
By: Hand87_5 - 15th January 2004 at 18:19
How do you guys explain that the MD11 wasn’t a big success as a PAX airliner and is a big hit as a freighter?
By: Portugal - 14th January 2004 at 22:26
Originally posted by greekdude1
Portugal, I plan on going to Portugal this summer for Euro 2004. I want to fly into Porto because Greece and Spain will be playing there. Anything I should know ahead of tmie?
I’m going to put a new thread with some information about the Euro 2004
By: Hand87_5 - 14th January 2004 at 19:14
A very basic equation:
MD11 phase out = Hand87_5 pi$$ed 🙁
By: Jeanske_SN - 14th January 2004 at 18:54
Originally posted by greekdude1
Portugal, I plan on going to Portugal this summer for Euro 2004. I want to fly into Porto because Greece and Spain will be playing there. Anything I should know ahead of tmie?
You can connect to Porto via Brussels :D.
By: robc - 14th January 2004 at 18:21
I agree with Kabir, the MD11 is a good looking plane
By: greekdude1 - 14th January 2004 at 17:12
Portugal, I plan on going to Portugal this summer for Euro 2004. I want to fly into Porto because Greece and Spain will be playing there. Anything I should know ahead of tmie?
By: Portugal - 14th January 2004 at 17:09
Delta Air Lines McDonnell Douglas MD-11
“Centennial Spirit”. This MD-11 is adorned with colors of the “1996 Atlanta Summer Olympic Games”
By: KabirT - 14th January 2004 at 16:48
This is very sad indeed….. i love the MD 11… probably one of the ebst looking a/c flying.:(
By: fokker100 - 14th January 2004 at 16:38
I flew on the Md11 in August 2002 from MAN-ATL-MAN. They were great aircraft, more roomy than the 764 I flew on from ATL-LAX. Does anybody know whats replacing them on the MAN-ATL route?
Cheers
Fokker 100
By: steve rowell - 14th January 2004 at 02:52
Originally posted by dartie
Totally agree they will end up as freighters if not scrapped or used as equipment for fire training at airports whos we will just have to wait and see!:p:D
I couldn’t see such young airframes being used for fire training or scrapping, they would have to be utilised as freighters somewhere, or indeed parked in the Mojave Desert until new owners are found
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