Enterprise returns home for last time

Just passing thru……….

Sorry, I just came to the forum and didn’t see the earlier postings. Personally, I am not surprised it will be name Enterprise. Yet, it’s a little on the early side for such an announcement….

Welcome back :diablo:

May be they can sell it to India or Japan to keep the Chinese at bay 😎

Dude, seriously, is there any good reason why we shouldn’t start? I mean c’mon, I’m sure a lot of our allies wouldn’t mind a refurbished super carrier.

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Scooter, where have you been? Not reading the first few posts of this thread we are in, certainly!

Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus announces CVN-80 will carry the name Enterprise (video)
Announced during the decommissioning ceremony of CVN-65 Enterprise on 1 December 2012.

Sorry, I just came to the forum and didn’t see the earlier postings. Personally, I am not surprised it will be name Enterprise. Yet, it’s a little on the early side for such an announcement….

Enterprise officialy decommishioned today 12/1/12 at NOB Norfolk. During the ceremony the Sec Navy announced that CVN-80 will be named Enterprise.

Most hoped the second Ford Class CVN would be named Enterprise. Yet, the Democrats got there way and it will be named John F. Kennedy instead.

Considering the USN recently had a USS John F Kennedy (CV-67). Seems like they would choose another name. Like Franklin D. Roosevelt….Which, they also had but was scraped many years ago.

Well, maybe the 3rd Ford Class Carrier will get the name. We can only hope!

Scooter, where have you been? Not reading the first few posts of this thread we are in, certainly!

Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus announces CVN-80 will carry the name Enterprise (video)
Announced during the decommissioning ceremony of CVN-65 Enterprise on 1 December 2012.

Most hoped the second Ford Class CVN would be named Enterprise. Yet, the Democrats got there way and it will be named John F. Kennedy instead.

Considering the USN recently had a USS John F Kennedy (CV-67). Seems like they would choose another name. Like Franklin D. Roosevelt….Which, they also had but was scraped many years ago.

Well, maybe the 3rd Ford Class Carrier will get the name. We can only hope!

All the super carriers that the USN has decommed are pretty much used up anyways. Even with a major overhal/rebuild I wouldnt think there would be much life left in them.

I’m sure none of the US allies would want to spend that amount of money
every year on keeping it operational, and even less their tax payers

NO FLEET CARRIER WAS EVER TRANSFERRED BY USN TO ANOTHER NAVY! 😡

Dude, seriously, is there any good reason why we shouldn’t start? I mean c’mon, I’m sure a lot of our allies wouldn’t mind a refurbished super carrier.

NO FLEET CARRIER WAS EVER TRANSFERRED BY USN TO NOTHER NAVY! 😡
(Independence class were LIGHT fleet carriers, based on an escort carrier design but implemented on a cruiser hull. So`Only some WW2 escort carriers to France and Spain respectively.´ is correct in the sense of level of capability)

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/
See here also for French and Spanish carriers

Bla!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_of_the_United_States_Navy

CVL-24 Belleau Wood 1943 Independence-class Transferred to France as Bois Belleau (R97) (1953–1960). Returned to U.S. Scrapped 1960
CVL-27 Langley 1943 Independence-class Transferred to France as La Fayette (R96) (1951–1963). Returned to U.S. Scrapped 1964
CVL-28 Cabot 1943 Independence-class Transferred to Spain as Dédalo (R-01) (1967–1989). Returned to the U.S. Scrapped 2002

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_class_aircraft_carrier
The Independence class aircraft carriers were a class of light carriers built for the United States Navy that served during World War II.

This class were a result of President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s interest in Navy shipbuilding plans. In August 1941, with war looming, he noted that no new fleet aircraft carriers were expected before 1944 and proposed to quickly convert some of the many cruisers then under construction.he crisis following the December 1941 Pearl Harbor attack demonstrated the urgent need for more carriers as soon as possible. The Navy responded by greatly accelerating construction of the big Essex class aircraft carriers and, in January 1942, reordering a Cleveland class light cruiser as an aircraft carrier. Plans developed for this conversion showed much more promise than expected. The design was based on the Sangamon class escort carrier. These were limited-capability ships, whose principal virtue was near-term availability, and the speed necessary to operate in the fleet-carrier task groups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangamon_class_escort_carrier
The Sangamon class were a group of four escort aircraft carriers of the United States Navy that served during World War II. These ships were originally MARAD type T3-S2-A1 oilers, launched in 1939 for civilian use. They were acquired and commissioned by the U.S. Navy in 1940-41. Due to the shortage of MARAD type C3 ships for conversion to desperately needed escort carriers, it was decided in early 1942 to convert four oilers to escort carriers. These ships were the largest escort carriers built for the U.S. Navy. The late-war Commencement Bay class escort carriers were about as large, but were built as carriers from keel up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commencement_Bay_class_escort_carrier
The Commencement Bay-class escort aircraft carriers were based on the Maritime Commission T3 type tanker hull, which gave them a displacement of approximately 23,000 tons and a length of 557 feet (170 m). Unlike most earlier CVE classes which were laid down as something else and converted to aircraft carriers mid-construction, the Commencement Bays were built as carriers from the keel up. Their general layout was similar to the Sangamon-class escort carriers, but some of the Sangamon’s engineering shortcomings were addressed.
They entered service late in World War II — USS Commencement Bay launched on 9 May 1944 — so most of them saw little or no operational service.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_escort_aircraft_carriers_of_the_United_States_Navy

AVG-1/BAVG-1 Became HMS Archer
AVG-2/BAVG-2 Became HMS Avenger
AVG-3/BAVG-3 Became HMS Biter later French Navy Dixmude
AVG-4/BAVG-4 Became HMS Charger briefly, returned to USN as USS Charger (CVE-30)
AVG-5/BAVG-5 Became HMS Dasher
BAVG-6 Became HMS Tracker
Altamaha CVE-6 Became HMS Battler
Barnes CVE-7 Became HMS Attacker
Block Island CVE-8 Became HMS Hunter
Breton CVE-10 Became HMS Chaser
Croatan CVE-14 Became HMS Fencer
Hamlin CVE-15 Became HMS Stalker
St. George CVE-17 Became HMS Pursuer
Prince William CVE-19 Became HMS Striker
CVE-22 Became HMS Searcher
CVE-24 Became HMS Ravager
Charger CVE-30 Same ship as AVG-4 and HMS Charger
Chatham CVE-32 Became HMS Slinger
Glacier CVE-33 Became HMS Atheling
Pybus CVE-34 Became HMS Emperor
Baffins CVE-35 Became HMS Ameer
Bolinas CVE-36 Became HMS Begum
Bastian CVE-37 Became HMS Trumpeter
Carnegie CVE-38 Became HMS Empress
Cordova CVE-39 Became HMS Khedive
Delgada CVE-40 Became HMS Speaker
Edisto CVE-41 Became HMS Nabob
Estero CVE-42 Became HMS Premier
Jamaica CVE-43 Became HMS Shah
Keweenaw CVE-44 Became HMS Patroller
Prince CVE-45 Became HMS Rajah
Niantic CVE-46 Became HMS Ranee
Perdido CVE-47 Became HMS Trouncer
Sunset CVE-48 Became HMS Thane
St. Andrews CVE-49 Became HMS Queen
St. Joseph CVE-50 Became HMS Ruler
St. Simon CVE-51 Became HMS Arbiter
Vermillion CVE-52 Became HMS Smiter
Willapa CVE-53 Became HMS Puncher
Winjah CVE-54 Became HMS Reaper

So, in sum: of all purpose built US carriers (rather than merchant or merchantbased conversions), only 3 ever went to a foreign navy. These were cruise hull conversions (CVLs), which where based on CVE designs and in many ways as limited as CVEs.

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As for the Dutch: http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/nethcv/

During WW2 only Gadila and Macoma, two converted MAC ships: civilian freighters and tankers fitted with flight decks as emergency escort ships. The two Dutch MACs – Gadila and Macoma – were identical to the Royal Navy’s MACs, and operated under British control throughout their careers. Macoma, a tanker, was launched at Amsterdam in 1935 and completed the following year )i.e. Dutch to begin with). She was converted for MAC duties in the UK from late 1943 to April of 1944. Gadila was built in Germany as a tanker, completing in 1935; she was converted to a MAC in the UK from April 1943 to February 1944. HMNLS Karel Doorman (QH1), the first carrier commissioned in the Royal Netherlands Navy. This carrier started life as a British freighter, but was converted to an escort carrier prior to completion, and commissioned 12 Dec 1943 as HMS Nairana. After WWII she was loaned to the Netherlands to help in rebuilding the shattered Dutch navy; she commissioned in Dutch service 20 March 1946. The second HMNLS Karel Doorman (R81) as first commissioned. This carrier was built as the light fleet carrier HMS Venerable, completed early in 1945. Decommissioned in 1947, she was sold to the Dutch in 1948. She recommissioned as HMNLS Karel Doorman 28 May 1948, taking the name of the previous Dutch carrier. Initially she operated with minimal modifications. On 15 October 1968 she was sold to Argentina and was subsequently refitted. Karel Doorman was renamed Veinticinco De Mayo and recommissioned 12 March 1969

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Gadila
Like MV Macoma, MV Gadila was one of nine Anglo Saxon Royal Dutch/Shell oil tankers converted to become a Merchant Aircraft Carrier (MAC ship). The group is collectively known as the Rapana class.
MV Gadila was built at the Howaldtswerke, Kiel, Germany and completed 11 April 1935 as an oil tanker for the Anglo Saxon Royal Dutch/Shell line. She was converted at Smith’s Dock, North Shields between April 1943 and 1 February 1944. She entered service as a MAC ship in March 1944, and operated under the Netherlands Mercantile Marine flag

Everybody Happy Now?

Nitpicking again. You should have said that the first part of his post was correct, not the second.:D

Dude, seriously: no way! USN has NEVER transferred a fleet carrier to any other navy. Only some WW2 escort carriers to France and Spain respectively.

France and Spain each got Independence class light carriers. France 2, Spain 1. France and Holland each got one escort carrier. God I love to nitpick.:D

Unlike the RN, the USN has never gotten confused between fleet carriers and light carriers. They are separate and different classes, as are escort carriers.

So to pluck small insects from your post as well, while some USN carriers transferred were other than escort carriers (thus making Wanshan’s actual statement incorrect), they were still not fleet carriers (thus making his point correct)!

Video of last flight I posted a link to shows it to be a Hawkeye AEW&C aircraft.

That’s cool then, I guess the Hummer needs some love too 🙂 I just meant in reference to the aircrew actually flying the thing…..not necessarily the Skipper or XO.

Dude, seriously: no way! USN has NEVER transferred a fleet carrier to any other navy. Only some WW2 escort carriers to France and Spain respectively.

Besides:

Take into account that the average life span of a nuclear power station is estimated by both the IEA (International Energy Agency) and the plant operators to be 40 to 50 years. http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1018651.shtml

U.S. commercial nuclear reactors are licensed to operate for 40 years by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC). Prior to termination of the original license, companies may apply to the NRC for 20-year license extensions. The average age of U.S. commercial reactors is about 32 years. The oldest operating reactors are Oyster Creek in New Jersey, and Nine Mile Point 1 in New York. Both entered commercial service on December 1, 1969.
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=228&t=21

CVN65 USS Enterprise has a nuclear propulsion plant that is now 50 years old, 7 years older than the oldest operating commercial reactors in the USA.
Built: 1958 – 1961
In service: 1962 – 2012
In commission: 1961 – 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CVN-65)

France and Spain each got Independence class light carriers. France 2, Spain 1. France and Holland each got one escort carrier. God I love to nitpick.:D

Could have been just about anyone. An old NROTC buddy of mine took the last cat shot off the USS Kitty Hawk prior to her de-commissioning, in a VFA-102 F/A-18F (don’t know who was in his back seat). Not the Skipper, just one of many first tour JO’s 🙂

Video of last flight I posted a link to shows it to be a Hawkeye AEW&C aircraft.

Yes, strange they didn’t publish that info.

It was on Nov. 3, off Virginia. Could have been a F/A-18F flown by CDR John Bixby, CO of VFA-211. Just a guess.

Could have been just about anyone. An old NROTC buddy of mine took the last cat shot off the USS Kitty Hawk prior to her de-commissioning, in a VFA-102 F/A-18F (don’t know who was in his back seat). Not the Skipper, just one of many first tour JO’s 🙂

ABOUT DEPLOYMENTS….

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thanks for the explanation, I’ve learnt something new !

friendly yours,

Etienne

see this (not complete) list of 24 missions:
www.uscarriers.net/cvn65deploy.htm

(the first one (Cuba-crisis) is not taken in the list )

‘ONLY’ :rolleyes: 25 deployments in 50 years ..? 😀

friendly yours,

Etienne

Carriers operate on a 32 month (2,67 year) cycle. Also, there is a personnel tempo policy limit of one 6-month deployment per cycle. The norm would be 50/2.67=18.75 cycles=19 deployment. So, 25 deployments is 6 deployments above the norm (+32%). If you consider shorter cycles (which have occurred in the past) you still end up with a good record:
27 month cycle > 2.25 yrs, with 50/2.25= 22.22 cycles = 22 deployments
24 month cycle > 2.00 yrs, with 50/2.00= 25.00 cycles = 25 deployments

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/2008/RAND_MG706.pdf

It all depends on what you consider as a “deployment”.

A 2-week training run around Puerto Rico? Not a deployment.
A 2-week run around Cuba in October 1962? Deployment!

A 2-month run around the Caribbean making diplomatic port-calls with half an air-wing… maybe deployment, maybe training cruise.