Well it’s pretty much finalised folks. When the draft constitution is ratified at the next inter-governmental conference, all the previous Treaties (Rome, Maastricht…) will be cancelled.
With a constitution, the EU becomes effectively a soverign state. It has all the characteristics: separate legal identity in it’s own right (as opposed to organisations like the UN or present EU, which exist only in the context of Treaties). It’s own currency, it’s own legal system…
What does everyone think about that?
Please lets not have a pro EU/anti EU flame, we seem to have been there many times before. I’m interested in the constitution itself; the logic and basis seems utterly unlike any previous constitution.
By: mongu - 29th July 2003 at 22:02
They might sound good Hand. But they are policies
You cannot insert your policital manifesto into the constitution!
It is not logical, it goes against every principal of democracy. With a constitution, you create a state and you set out the roles and functions of the parts of the state. You insert safeguards, you regulate for instance how laws are made.
If you insert policies, how can they be challenged under case law? In fact, how will the legal system work under a policy-based constitution?
This is dictatorship by the back door.
By: Hand87_5 - 29th July 2003 at 18:53
Originally posted by mongu
This constitution scares the hell out of me.Ever closer union
Social justice
Narrowing the gap between rich and poor
And many, many more
This kind of objectives sounds good to me.
However we have to know more for sure.
By: mongu - 29th July 2003 at 18:46
This constitution scares the hell out of me.
It inserts political objectives into the constitution:
Ever closer union
Social justice
Narrowing the gap between rich and poor
And many, many more
I have never, ever heard of a constitution which does this. It also creates Federacy, by stating that all powers shall be vested in the individual member states; unless the EU decides it wants those particular powers.
Most people here know I am very anti-EU. However, even if you are a good European, doesn’t the tone and wording of this cause you difficulties?
By: Hand87_5 - 29th July 2003 at 10:06
I don’t think anything since I don’t really know what’s in it.
I just heard about a “EU president” but I don’t know more.
I will have to investigate a bit.
By: Geforce - 29th July 2003 at 06:52
It’s not really a constitution I’m afraid. It’s more of a political agreement which country should rule the UN and when. I think this constitution is a monster.
What we don’t need is another roadmap to unite Europe. We need one army (and a ****ing big one), a couple of charismatic leaders, but I will stop before Webmaster replaces my post to the “evil thread”.
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