August 8, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Every quarter Schiphol publishes details on the amount of complaints people raise about aviation noise. The results for the 2nd quarter of 2010 are in, and they have been compared against the numbers for the same period in 2009.
Now before we proceed with the numbers, let´s first consider that Schiphol, along with most of Europe, was closed several days due to the Icelandic volcano. So logically you would expect a minor drop. So, let´s look at the numbers now and… oooh dear.
Medium2nd quarter ´092nd quarter ´10ComplaintsComplainersComplaintsComplainersThrough Schiphol site:35.56468764.901626By phone:2.6961.0241.789563By post / E-mail:1451724230Totals:38.4051.685*66.9321.198** Some complainers might have been counted more then once if they lodged complaints through more then once medium.
The amount of complaints has almost doubled! What´s even more surprising, is that the amount of people that filed complaints dropped by a quarter!
The total amount of complaints was 64.901 right? Care to guess at how many complaints the number one complainer made? Well, the total amount of complaints was 21.880! The number two complainer was a busy-bee as well at 10.045 complaints. In short, two people managed to be responsible for 48% of all complaints. In fact, people at Schiphol joked to a newspaper that they could tell when the guy was not home as the amount of complaints dropped noticably.
Now you could be forgiven from thinking the number one and two complainers live right next to the runway, but no. The number two complainer lives in Castricum, which is roughly 30KMs straight line from the Polderbaan. Now in all fairness the Polderbaan is the most frequently used runway, but still at 30KM distance there really should not be much to complain right?
The number one complainer lives in Almere. Almere is roughly 30KM from the Buitenveldertbaan. Now this is where matters get really interesting. The Buitenveldertbaan is rarely used because the flightpath goes over Amsterdam and the Bijlmermeer (where one might understand the occaisonal complaint). In fact, the Buitenveldertbaan was closed for a month due to maintenance and resurfacing! There are flightpaths near Almere for other runways, but all of them go over the IJsselmeer lake, not over land.
Next time you hear about a project costing millions to avoid noise nuisance, just consider that all one really has to do to half the amount of complaints is to cut the internet connection from 2 or 3 households. Should be a lot cheaper and easier to do as well.
Full report in Dutch:
http://www.bezoekbas.nl/userfiles/Bas%20tweede%20kwartaalrapportage%202010.pdf
By: tenthije - 13th August 2010 at 10:40
I complained about noise to Manchester airport once. Does that make me a NIMBY or a just a brassed off citizen? Engine-running a turboprop at 6am on a Sunday morning – honestly.:mad:
A complaint every now and then makes you not a NIMBY. I complain to the neighbour sometimes about the way he parks his car, does not mean I want him to leave. But when someone makes 200odd complaints a day, every day… then that definately qualifies as a NIMBY.
There’s no defined line between where a disgruntled citizen becomes a NIMBY. Depends on the circumstances I suppose. The #1 NIMBY for Schiphol lives 30odd KMs from the airport. I think you’ll agree that a complaint from him carries less weight then a complaint from someone living right next to the perimeter fence.
By: Arthur Pewtey - 13th August 2010 at 08:45
Oh the airport by about 50 years. That doesn’t mean I can’t complain when they are being noisy neighbours though does it? The noise from the airport doesn’t bother me normally but there were several occasions when early morning engine runs were particularly annoying – and we live about 2.5nm from the engine running bay.
By: symon - 13th August 2010 at 08:25
Who was there first? You, or the airport 😉
By: Arthur Pewtey - 12th August 2010 at 14:24
I complained about noise to Manchester airport once. Does that make me a NIMBY or a just a brassed off citizen? Engine-running a turboprop at 6am on a Sunday morning – honestly.:mad:
By: PaulR - 12th August 2010 at 14:01
one even complained a Cockrel woke his family up early in the morning!!
:rolleyes:
By: EGTC - 10th August 2010 at 16:07
That reminds me when they were trying to put in Wind Turbines near where I live. This campaigner comes round and says his spiel. He then asks if the noise would annoy me. I had to explain that not only do I live next to a main road, and right next to a power sub-station, so the noise of wind turbines that are going to be over 3km away would not bother me. He then asks if I would like the sight of them. Again, I reminded him that the site was over 3km away, with a hill and forest in the way.
The Wind Turbines were never installed, shame.
haha! Yeah some of the NIMBY’s are just stupid.
Sometimes I wonder, with regard to aviation, if its just an act of jealousy or an attempt to show authority.
By: Lincoln 7 - 10th August 2010 at 15:54
I live about 7 miles away from RAF holbeach bombing range, and when on a still Summers day the A10s were using the range, you could clearly hear their gun firing in short bursts, along with other aircraft using the range.
People who had moved from London, and the South complained like hell, stating they wanted to move up here for the peace and quiet!!!
There was for some time in the local rag, arguments re these Southerners who come up here and complain, one even complained a Cockrel woke his family up early in the morning!!
This is the countryside, and a farming area, and you can get stuck behind a tractor for miles.
You choose where you live, so my advice is, do your homework before you move, god forbid, but if we were ever attacked, these moaners would be pleased the aircraft had been practising on the range.unfortunately it may just save their lives.This is why OUR fighter pilots are the best in the world.
Lincoln. 7
By: G-BIKI - 10th August 2010 at 14:59
About 15-16 years ago a Turkish charter airline flew once a week into Rotterdam using 727’s. A local resident would complain every time that the Turkish airplane had made too much noise. Untill one day just after departure time the person called to complain…….only to be told that the flight had been cancelled and had not flown that day:eek:
By: ThreeSpool - 10th August 2010 at 09:48
I find living near a main road is more annoying than aircraft noise as it goes on all day and night.
That reminds me when they were trying to put in Wind Turbines near where I live. This campaigner comes round and says his spiel. He then asks if the noise would annoy me. I had to explain that not only do I live next to a main road, and right next to a power sub-station, so the noise of wind turbines that are going to be over 3km away would not bother me. He then asks if I would like the sight of them. Again, I reminded him that the site was over 3km away, with a hill and forest in the way.
The Wind Turbines were never installed, shame.
By: EGTC - 10th August 2010 at 00:37
Plymouth is a fine example of people moving close to an Airport and complaining. The Airport has been there since 1927, and houses have built up along the boundary.
I noticed that! I have flown a C172 into Plymouth a few times and noticed how the houses have been built right up to the boundary of the airport. I think that if you’re going to live in a place like that you have to accept the noise. I cant stand NIMBY’s. I dont really get what they are trying to prove because come the summer they want to fly off on their holidays. I guess thats the only time they want a plane to fly. I find living near a main road is more annoying than aircraft noise as it goes on all day and night.
When I flew from Truro in Cornwall the local bee keeper used to complain on a weekly basis. He went so far as to blame our aircraft for his bees not producing honey and even said that one day a helicopter flew over and his wife hid under a table. I dont suppose that it ever occured to him that he was just rubbish at keeping bees and his wife maybe easily scared, much easier to blame the airfield of course.
By: *ALLIANCE - 9th August 2010 at 20:29
Assuming they phone these complaints in and it’s not a freephone number it must be costing them a hell of a lot to whine on to that extent.
If they are always on the phone complaining how do there friends get intouch with them? Ah wait a minute!!!! That’s not likely to be an issue.
By: rdc1000 - 9th August 2010 at 13:14
Thats approx 237 complaints per DAY. The mind boggles.
I suppose you start to loose all credibility when you complain with this frequency. It’s a bit like crying wolf isn’t it?
By: D1566 - 9th August 2010 at 13:10
Care to guess at how many complaints the number one complainer made? Well, the total amount of complaints was 21.880!
Thats approx 237 complaints per DAY. The mind boggles.
By: rdc1000 - 9th August 2010 at 11:38
It is always an interesting phenomena. At Manchester, I understand that at one point, a single resident made up something like 60% (don’t quote me completely on this, it is a recollection of a conversation I once had with someone) of complaints, and the figures suggested they were writing multiple complaints per day.
Plymouth is a fine example of people moving close to an Airport and complaining. The Airport has been there since 1927, and houses have built up along the boundary. Ironically these are among the most expensive properties in Plymouth, on Tavistock Road in the Derriford area. One resident moved in and then set up a microphone at the bottom of his garden for noise monitoring. However, one of the reasons the houses are popular and command a high price is that they have a vast expanse of open land behind them, that wouldn’t get built on! Now there is the irony, they want the Airport to stop buildings overlooking their gardens, but don’t want that same airport to make a noise. Well they’ve been stumped now, because the land behind their properties is being removed from the Airport boudnary and will be developed into office blocks and residential properties, but at least it’ll be quite!:dev2:
By: Arabella-Cox - 9th August 2010 at 11:20
It’s the same at Goodwood. People buy houses near a racetrack and complain about the noise.
The amazing thing is that the authorities are on their side.
By: Grey Area - 9th August 2010 at 10:50
We get them around these parts, too.
Apparently intelligent people who move into a house close to the busiest airport in the UK outside the London area, and then start complaining about the noise.
What did they think airliners were going to sound like?
The dawn chorus?
Choirs of angels?
A gently babbling brook?
I tell you, our society is becoming more infantile with each passing year. 😡
By: Moggy C - 9th August 2010 at 10:15
Fascinating.
I hope you don’t mind but I have cross-posted this to a pilots’ forum.
Moggy
By: ThreeSpool - 9th August 2010 at 09:42
Incredible! Where do these people get the energy and time to do complain. They must have literally nothing else to do. 😮
By: Newforest - 8th August 2010 at 21:11
Interesting post, once you get a bee in your bonnet………………:D