Exploitation – Cosford

It was in the 1970s that I remember having to sign something to the effect that I would not profit from any photographs that I took of the Spitfire and Hurricane at what was then Birmingham Science Museum.

Does ignorance play any part in Cosfords ticket conditions, I didn’t bother to read the back of mine 😉

Slightly late to this, but the British Superbike organisation have something similar on the back of their tickets.
Basically only those authorised photographers or cameramen are allowed to sell their images of the event.

Public display of spectators images on websites (flickr, or your own website) is actually OK, but suggest that they are for sale or put a price next to any of them and BSB will contact you with dire warnings that you are unauthorised seller and are breaching all sorts of copyright and the admission/licencing terms and conditions and with appropriate legal action to follow if the images remain for sale.

Admittedly BSB and airshows are two different animals, given that BSB is within a closed circuit environment, and an airshow can’t by it’s very nature stay within the venue. Additionally is the air above a venue part of the venue? etc.

Was there, on the flight line watching as he nearly took the tail off my aeroplane. Im sure PPS and Mr Vacher would of been thrilled to see a red glider sitting on top of their machines had his manovoure been some 3ft lower.

It was a beutifull display with a difficult low cloudbase but that last roll was not required given the height he was at, the roll would of been a good finish but needed in this case I believe a bit more margin of safety. However no harm done, no life was lost, no damage to machines and if any lesson can be learned then its a bonus – onwards and upwards.

If the matter was deemed by the FDD to warrent comment then Im sure it was given, matter closed as far as Im concerned.

Wasn’t looking through my camera when I saw it, I’d already put it down thinking the flight was over.

You’ll have to take it from witnesses actually there. There must have been just mere inches between the tip of his wings (especially his starboard wing) and the ground.

So who is going to write to the Display organisers and complain then, or are you all going to give your “expert” opinion on an internet forum?

There was a lot of sucking of teeth (and some expletives) on the flight line when that red glider came up behind the static aircraft!! The picture shows he still has around 135 deg of roll left to complete with the Stbd wing yet to go past mother earth. It was close, the wing tip was certainly below the height of the tailplanes of the static line up as it went around – eeeek. I feel there must surely of been a chat with the FDD after.

It shouldn’t affect me, as I don’t habitually sell any of my photos or videos. But there are professional photographers on this forum, and I would like their take on this.

Yes, I know.

No pictures still. But then you won’t have to worry about anyone seeing them and wondering if you’re selling them.

Regards,

kev35

Yep, that’s the one Rob68.

I trust you can see my photos now. They’re hosted on my Virgin webspace, so there shouldn’t be a problem.

This clause has been on Air Tattoo tickets for as long as I can remember.

Indeed it has, but it is sad to see these terms becoming more pervasive. As someone else remarked, it’ll only encourage some photographers to stay outside of the fence more. I can, to an extent, understand show organisers desire to make as much revenue as possible from their air show. However, given the scorn on this forum that is poured (rightly, to a degree) on photographers who do stay outside of the fence, linked with the desire for air shows to make SOME money, I’d have thought that organisers should be doing all they can to accommodate the requirements of each segment of the audience, rather than alienate some of them to the point of pushing them out to a non-revenue earning location – in other words, its a shame air show organisers don’t recognise that some revenue (i.e. get the gate money, but let photographers sell their results) is better than the zero revenue they get if photographers remain outside.

A

Rob your pics dont seem to have com up but presume your talking about this?

You mean these guys:

and in particular this guy:

To be honest, I really think that roll was a bit, no I mean A LOT too low, and extremely too dangerous, even if only for him. He must have had only half an inch to spare. I’ll bet the display monitors gave him a bit of a sore ear.

Otherwise, as you say, they were an excellent part of the show. In fact I have often found gliders to be excellent airshow display teams.

I did think that the tug was there to do a bit of crop spraying though 😀

Here’s a couple of mine!

I wish I’d taken more pictures of those 2 gliders that were at Cosford. I decided to put my camera down when they started displaying, because gliders are ‘boring’. How wrong could I be?! My jaw actually dropped and I uttered expletives when the red vintage glider did a roll so close to the deck that I thought he wasn’t going to make it. In retrospect they were one of the highlights of the show – fantastic performance!!

Bob

There were hundreds of lenses on that flight line! Who’s hidding the pics then?

Cheers Nick.

I see no photographs of the Cosford show have appeared here as yet!

but I’ve got some I’ll post later.

I guess you will probably the only one then.

Martin

Cheers Nick.

I see no photographs of the Cosford show have appeared here as yet!

Not a great day for photos anyway, but I’ve got some I’ll post later.

This clause has been on Air Tattoo tickets for as long as I can remember. There are ways round it. In any case it wont affect many on here.

So, sell another object, say a Bic Biro pen, and offer as a free gift a mounted picture.

This was done in the early days of Sunday trading, where a big firm (MFI I think) offered a pound of carrots for £199 with a free wardrobe. At the time, fresh veg was allowed to be sold Sundays but not furniture.

I would suppose that what they are trying to do is a little “damage limitation”, if the unthinkable happens. Trying to stop people selling their photographs and videos to the media, making them exclusively available to the regulatory powers. A bit silly really, when you take web sites like YouTube into account.

Stopping photography by visitors would not only be unenforceable, it would probably see up to 75% of the public never bothing to go to another airshow as long as they live. It would be the death knell for all airshows.

Touch wood! I’ve never been to an airshow where an accident has happened (unless you count a tyre bursting on the Sea Hawk while landing at Culdrose a couple of years ago).

I’m surprised its taken this long for it to appear at airshows, this sort of thing has been going on at live music gigs for years.
At certain shows I have seen camers cofiscated from people in the audience, however having said that its obviosly down to band management and not venue as Marlyin Mason bans all photography and yet Iron Maiden sell disposable caneras at there gigs!
Security is well screwed now though because of mobile phones:D
Phill
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