F-35B or F-35C for the Royal Navy

Now the big question is, does a compact carriage Meteor weigh more than an AMRAAM? Is that me being greedy?

2 Storm Shadow eh? When will that capability be realised I wonder?

Meteor is only 100lbs heavier so should be fine

Now the big question is, does a compact carriage Meteor weigh more than an AMRAAM? Is that me being greedy?

2 Storm Shadow eh? When will that capability be realised I wonder?

The vertical bring back is 5100 lb you need 2500 lb for fuel and 600 lb for two AMRAAM leaving just 2000 lb for other weapons not enough for a single Storm Shadow. The rolling landing will add up to 4000 lb of bring back meaning 6000 lb for other weapons that would enable to bring back two Storm Shadow.

Right sorry I thought you meant 2 Stormshadow and 2 AMRAAM above the vertical bringback weight, actually looking at your second post it’s quite obvious that it’s 5100lbs. Oh well it is Monday……

Sorry Frosty I’m probably being a bit thick here as I’m not sure what you’re saying other than 2 Stormshadows + 2 AMRAAM wiegh more than 4000lbs?

The vertical bring back is 5100 lb you need 2500 lb for fuel and 600 lb for two AMRAAM leaving just 2000 lb for other weapons not enough for a single Storm Shadow. The rolling landing will add up to 4000 lb of bring back meaning 6000 lb for other weapons that would enable to bring back two Storm Shadow.

5100 lbs + 4000 lbs is 9100 lb

2 x AMRAAM = 600lb
2 x Storm Shadow = 5400 lb
Fuel reserves 2500 lb

Total 8500 lb

Sorry Frosty I’m probably being a bit thick here as I’m not sure what you’re saying other than 2 Stormshadows + 2 AMRAAM wiegh more than 4000lbs?

I’m pretty sure that Stormshadow weighs something like 2700lb.

5100 lbs + 4000 lbs is 9100 lb

2 x AMRAAM = 600lb
2 x Storm Shadow = 5400 lb
Fuel reserves 2500 lb

Total 8500 lb

So perhaps I’m behind the times but I noticed some quotes regarding F-35b rolling landings adding up to 4000lbs to bring back weight. This would allow 2 storm shadow and 2 AMRAAM to be brought back. Sounds to me like the B version will do the job.

I’m pretty sure that Stormshadow weighs something like 2700lb.

So perhaps I’m behind the times but I noticed some quotes regarding F-35b rolling landings adding up to 4000lbs to bring back weight. This would allow 2 storm shadow and 2 AMRAAM to be brought back. Sounds to me like the B version will do the job.

We still have our Searchwaters.

Blimey…

Thanks BME.

Blowtorch was merely a figure of speach gents 😉

I don’t think anyone said it would burn to a crisp on first attempt. However it could do far more damage, far faster, than was the case with the Harrier. For us to be ignorant about such issues could lead to big expensive mistakes like needing to fix warped carrier decks!

The inference was from the ‘blow-torch’ image ppp and clearly a spot of blackened paint, at worst case, is a good way removed from melting steel!. Of course its only prudent to keep a watch on deck heating etc, but, if all thats currently of concern is the surface treatment then we are a long way from blow-torches arent we!

Watching the takeoffs you cant help but notice the deck crew waving casually at the -35B as it takes off past them about 40ft away. The camera does seem to have missed them getting blown overboard!. The camera also failed to show paint blackening and being scorched off the deck despite repeated shots of the nozzle pointing straight down!. Funny that isnt it?.

I don’t think anyone said it would burn to a crisp on first attempt. However it could do far more damage, far faster, than was the case with the Harrier. For us to be ignorant about such issues could lead to big expensive mistakes like needing to fix warped carrier decks!

I would imagine that these chaps (below) have designed their navies to take on the RSSGN (Royal Somalian shotgun Navy :D) then?

Navies like the JMSDF, ROKN, Armada Española, RAAN, PLAAN, etc, dont have AEW assets.
There are just five navies in the world who do have AEW assets

We still have our Searchwaters.

lets move this to the uk f35 thread eh?

we have already had an osprey aew debate there hotdog. take a look.

we should try to stick to one thread per topic

instead of a helicopter what about this?

Those things with the anemic radar that has far shorter range than Sea King AEW and a poorer target-tracking capability? That are more a “stand-off carrier-radar substitute asset” than a “fighter direction & control asset”?

I don’t consider them a true AEW aircraft at all.

AEW = Airborne Early Warning, i.e. exactly what you describe those Italian helicopters as, & exactly what our Sea King AEWs were built as, though the ASAC.7 upgrade improved their abilities. You’re thinking of AWACS – that’s a “fighter direction & control asset”. But you wrote “AEW”.

I think you will find that the handler waving casually from the sharp end is actually signalling that there has been no nozzle or tailplane strike on the edge of the Deck – or the round down as the fishheads called it…as the a/c lifts off you will notice that the nozzle and tailplane both rotate downwards towards the deck and get quite close – hence my comment about ramp clearance with a Heavy a/c…the a/c in the vid clip is probably fairly lightly loaded !

I’m not so sure that was a clean launch signal Baz. If it was it was about the slackest I’ve ever seen and I dont think the later pair do it at all!.

I saw the rotate into takeoff attitude and saw the tail dip as you described…off a skijump an aircraft doesnt actually rotate though does it?. Its progression up the ramp puts it at the correct nose-up attitude as it leaves the ramp without the need to balance it on the way up. The gear oleos seem enough to stop the tailpipe striking the deck at near-full/full compression on landing so, you must assume, they will cope with an MTOW aircraft compressing the gear as it transits from the flat deck to the ramp.

Maybe MTOW could be an issue for the USMC going forward without ski-jumps but, as I understand it, the takeoff run is 550ft with 40knts WoD for a MTOW -35B. Given they’ll have an 800+ft deck of a USMC LHA it doesnt look like MTOW should be all that problematic!.

is this how its going to be for next 6 years? quibbles?

Surely one would hope that the test phase is to be when any wrinkles are ironed out? Little things like the aircraft tearing the ship or itself apart?

Watching the takeoffs you cant help but notice the deck crew waving casually at the -35B as it takes off past them about 40ft away.

I think you will find that the handler waving casually from the sharp end is actually signalling that there has been no nozzle or tailplane strike on the edge of the Deck – or the round down as the fishheads called it…as the a/c lifts off you will notice that the nozzle and tailplane both rotate downwards towards the deck and get quite close – hence my comment about ramp clearance with a Heavy a/c…the a/c in the vid clip is probably fairly lightly loaded !

Whats the heaviest ski jump they have done jonesy ?
The clip above looks to be at fairly light weight judging by the oleo extensions !

rgds baz