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I thought I was the only City fan on here!

Stoke looked good, but only because Bolton didn’t join in. Still a threat though, they will be playing their hearts out in the Final.

not worried who wins now it’s just good uniteds out !!

but obviously i’m leaning towards city but if stoke happen to be the better players on the day good luck to them !!:)

noticed the error but wasn’t arsed !! mint lewis has won one !! the blues stuffing it up the reds was another bonus to the weekend !!:diablo:

I thought I was the only City fan on here!

Stoke looked good, but only because Bolton didn’t join in. Still a threat though, they will be playing their hearts out in the Final.

I did go to school, and having read the thread, did realise I wrote “ONE” instead of “WON” got carried away.or should have been taken away!! 😀

Lincoln .7
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noticed the error but wasn’t arsed !! mint lewis has won one !! the blues stuffing it up the reds was another bonus to the weekend !!:diablo:

mint !! :diablo:

I did go to school, and having read the thread, did realise I wrote “ONE” instead of “WON” got carried away.or should have been taken away!! 😀

Lincoln .7
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Yes, fantastic overtake on lap 52.

“Man of the match” is however Webber. 18th to 3rd. Again, due to rubbish foriegn camerawork, we missed most of his moves.

Yipeeeeeeeeeee, Hamilton has one one!!:D:D

Lincoln .7

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mint !! :diablo:

Yipeeeeeeeeeee, Hamilton has one one!!:D:D

Lincoln .7

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Apparently, Petrov is under investigation by the Malaysian CAA for flying without a licence.

Lucky he didn’t flip!
The camera angle was perfect for it, there will be HD version “Stills” available soon no doubt. Very dramatic.

Apparently, Petrov is under investigation by the Malaysian CAA for flying without a licence.

Looking at things in a happier frame of mind, at least LOTUS got a 3rd on the Podium today:D

Lincoln .7

How tragic, and ironic, that the drivers had concerns over that track and even had a safety meeting regarding it, sadly two drivers lost their lives.Things have only got better since then, regarding safety, Horse, stable gate springs to mind.

Lincoln .7

spain 75 is another controversial race dictated by safetey concerns

the race was a farce and drivers , mechanics , team managers et al were out tightening and securing dangerous armco barriers

ironicly the deaths were 5 spectators

Two laps later, tragedy struck. The rear wing on Stommelen’s Embassy Hill broke, sending him into the barrier, ironically at the point that his own mechanics had worked on. He bounced off it and back into the road, hitting the barrier across the way, and flying over it. While trying to avoid Stommelen as he crossed the track, Pace crashed. Five by-standers were killed by Stommelen’s flying car with the driver suffering a broken leg, a broken wrist and two cracked ribs.

How tragic, and ironic, that the drivers had concerns over that track and even had a safety meeting regarding it, sadly two drivers lost their lives.Things have only got better since then, regarding safety, Horse, stable gate springs to mind.

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no blood puddle ??? that depends what filming you saw !! british was a bad angle and censored

it is clear it was huge injury observe at 1.27 !!

he had massive head injuries there is no escaping the fact here !!

also it is on gravel so it was also soaked up more

i’d say without a doubt he was dead before help arrived!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkkXbLY-4_U&feature=related

No arguments!
I’ve seen that red patch on the UK version, but I thought it was a coat from a Marshall.
Ayrton was alive after impact, his head is moving in the cockpit. His private Dr was at the scene, I’m sure he would have bleated if there was a cover up. Especially against the Italians.

Its going to be an interesting first corner in the morning.

no blood puddle ??? that depends what filming you saw !! british was a bad angle and censored

it is clear it was huge injury observe at 1.27 !!

he had massive head injuries there is no escaping the fact here !!

also it is on gravel so it was also soaked up more

i’d say without a doubt he was dead before help arrived!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkkXbLY-4_U&feature=related

Got issues with a few things here: –

senna did not die with a broken kneck !! the wheel impact is correct but it caused 3 large head traumas from suspension parts pennetrating his helmet/visor
( all were capable of killing on thier own but together it was a definate !! )

My mistake here I think. The official report says 3 traumas but I don’t recall seeing the visor cracked or holed, you never see the RH side of his helmet in the crash clips. And I don’t recall seeing a blood puddle after they moved him to the chopper. 3 head injuries would cause a lot. But, if the official version was Bull, a Nurse or Dr would have grassed by now.

some controversey surrounds his medical treatment and law he recieved an emergency tracheottomy whilst waiting to be airlifted
it is said he was dead with no hope at the scene but the law of the country states if someone is killed at a sporting event the event has to be fully closed down
so it is believed he was kept technicaly alive till removed from the event !!

Well, if there is Brain activity, there is life and hope. I think they fought to save him as “First do no harm”, not because of the possibility of the event stopping. Technically alive is saveable with the correct gear.

tyre pressure was ruled out as a cause as he had already done one lap at race speed.

Ruled out only because he set a fast lap before. Everybody said they noticed a lot of touch-down. But he was furious with teh pace car (It was only a Merc. after all) and asked for them to speed up to keep the tyres hot.

the cut and welded steering columb could have had a part to play as it is recconed it partialy collapsed

But it didn’t, the opinion that it had broken was made by people who know nothing, Journalists or somesuch. From the in car camera, they decided that because they can see a lateral and vertical movement of the wheel (Instead of just a Radial movement like a road car) that it had broken at the welded extension. But (a) it hadn’t and (b) Watch any clip from an in car camera on F1, the steering wheel has about 1cm to 1.5cm of Lat and vert. movement, to allow it to bend by design- makes it easier to use when driver under high G.

take from it what damon said ” i was in the same car and watched from behind on the lap before , senna was doing what he was famous for
he pushed his car just past the limmits once too often !! “

he said ” put simply senna did the unthinkable for him , he simply made a mistake !!” ( hed done a few others during his career )

another factor comes into it that he was very unhappy with a poor performing car ( the reason the steering columb was cut and welded ) but it was a catalogue of errors rather that one dirrect thing to point a finger at !!

This is why some people blamed Williams and Patrick Head. The steering column was extended to make it more comfy for Ayrton.
They blamed Patrick head a long time after the event, so that he couldn’t be prosecuted.
Damon also stated that his tyres were still cold

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senna did not die with a broken kneck !! the wheel impact is correct but it caused 3 large head traumas from suspension parts pennetrating his helmet/visor

( all were capable of killing on thier own but together it was a definate !! )

some controversey surrounds his medical treatment and law he recieved an emergency tracheottomy whilst waiting to be airlifted

it is said he was dead with no hope at the scene but the law of the country states if someone is killed at a sporting event the event has to be fully closed down

so it is believed he was kept technicaly alive till removed from the event !!

tyre pressure was ruled out as a cause as he had already done one lap at race speed

the cut and welded steering columb could have had a part to play as it is recconed it partialy collapsed

take from it what damon said ” i was in the same car and watched from behind on the lap before , senna was doing what he was famous for
he pushed his car just past the limmits once too often !! “

he said ” put simply senna did the unthinkable for him , he simply made a mistake !!” ( hed done a few others during his career )

another factor comes into it that he was very unhappy with a poor performing car ( the reason the steering columb was cut and welded ) but it was a catalogue of errors rather that one dirrect thing to point a finger at !!

Very true, as an aquaintance put it the other day if you are not going to play to win where is the point in playing?

The film “Senna” shows that Senna took out Prost in order to stop Prost from finishing, thus making Senna the Champion for that year. “I am paid to win”. In this case, some say he “Won dirty”….but there was also the problem that Senna had a major issue with the Race organisers because the Pole position was actually off the racing line on the “Dirty” side of the track, forcing the Pole driver to cut across the track for the first bend. Senna did so and it took out Prost and himself.
Planned to win dirty? Making a statement to F1? Genuine race-line etiquette?

He was still the best driver that ever sat in a F1 car.
Watch the 14 minute top gear special, or on You tube there are plenty of vids, my favourite is “Senna overtakes”, showing a lot of his fantastic overtaking moves.

Fighting to stay on the track, when on the limit. In my opinion it must have been hard on the tyres, causing more corrections, causing more tyre wear etc. But he was Senna and I sit in my pants watching it on TV.
I think we all want to watch drivers like Senna and Hamilton but teams want Drivers like Prost and Button.

Warm up lap was nothing to do with it.
The car. Some people blamed Williams, “It was a crap car”. Well, OK, it was 2 years after the crash before it was perfect.
But, the evidence (OBC and other things) has proven that the car was in perfect working order at impact.
The problem was, as you know those cars were running 3mm off the ground – to get the faster air under the car and thus cause more downforce via the pressure difference.
His car “Touched bottom” (Sparks all over the shop) just before that bend, which means that there was no air under the car and downforce was lost. The reason it touched bottom was that just prior to that, there was an incident…causing the Pace car to come out. That keeps the cars moving but only at 100mph max. During this pace car period, 2 laps IIRC, the tyres cooled down and they can lose up to 25% of the pressure…this reduced the diameter by about 2 to 3mm. Not good. However, this begs the question as to why other cars didn’t spin off, they had same conditions. Well, that’s cos Ayrton drove the car permanently on the edge of the performance envelope, nobody else did….or could.
It was the wheel that killed him. The cockpit was in perfect shape after the crash, he could have walked away with whiplash……………but, the front wheel was sandwiched (For only a splitty split second) between his head and the wall, the car was still crumpling into the wall but his head could not go any further with it, thus breaking his neck.
As you know, wheels are now tethered to prevent them flying off the car at crashes, not entirely because of this incident – to stop them killing the crowd mainly.

PeeDee. IF he did this on the warmup prior to the start, iit would be to keep the heat in his tyres.
Lincoln.7;)

Fighting to stay on the track, when on the limit. In my opinion it must have been hard on the tyres, causing more corrections, causing more tyre wear etc. But he was Senna and I sit in my pants watching it on TV.
I think we all want to watch drivers like Senna and Hamilton but teams want Drivers like Prost and Button.