F1 result…. Well ( can contain race spoiler )

During Q1, most of the drivers don’t push that hard to set a time to get into the top 17 for Q2. The cars run very light during Q2 to set their quickest time for the top 10 to get into Q3, where they qualify with fuel they’ll carry for the whole race.

When the qualifying sessions are over each car must give a 1lt sample of fuel for testing in case there is any funny business going on, anything less than that is an automatic penalty regardless of where you start on the grid. The tricky thing is, if you’re running in Q2 with minimum fuel onboard, very close to leaving 1lt in the tank, and you finish the session without running out of fuel or crashing etc and make it into Q3, you’re fine. Run with less than 1lt of fuel onboard and you have issues, you’re going to get a penalty, simple as.

Webber just happened to have a bit of bad luck and balls up his own race, as well as the teams’ and Vergne’s and Red Bull’s sister team Torro Rosso’s.

And speaking of which; Webber has been given a three place grid penalty for the next race for making an half ar$ed move on Vergne and causing a collision.

Is that clear enough for you, Mr. Needham? I do hope so, Mr. Needham!

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You wouldnt think we had been racing cars since 1903 or something ….& Red Bull have just found out that you DO have to put fuel in them . Its not Rocket science !! well more like the 4 stroke Otto Cycle really !

And preferably employ a driver who does not turn straight into another car LOL :rolleyes:

Oh dear , Webbers race engineer put diesel in the tank instead of petrol ??? Funny old game this racing !! The time I’ve seen people do that at Tesco…..

You wouldnt think we had been racing cars since 1903 or something ….& Red Bull have just found out that you DO have to put fuel in them . Its not Rocket science !! well more like the 4 stroke Otto Cycle really !

Well here we go again,somehow Mark Webbers car ran out of fuel in qualifying 2 and is now at the back of the grid(probably to stop him racing with the blue eyed kraut(yes I have used that word again) Funny Vettels car did not do the same. I call “shenaigans”!!!!

Good luck Seb I hope someone nerfs you off on a corner lets see your false smile then.(the rest is unprintable but you probably can imagine it!)

How to make oneself look like a complete tool. Congratulations, Mr. Needham. You win 1st prize!

Anywho,

Great race, a well deserved win for Alonso and Ferrari – pity Massa didn’t have much of a strong race, I was expecting somewhat more. Solid drive from Kimi despite his moment, was expecting Hamilton to be closer to the front in the Mercedes and another pity Rosberg had his second DNF in three races. And, a great drive from Vettel to get where he did, great overtaking, the fight near the end and almost snatching 3rd from Hamilton was epic, but done very well to get where he did even though his strategy was wrong.

Webber?… Well, self explanatory.

Well here we go again,somehow Mark Webbers car ran out of fuel in qualifying 2 and is now at the back of the grid(probably to stop him racing with the blue eyed kraut(yes I have used that word again) Funny Vettels car did not do the same. I call “shenaigans”!!!!

Rilly 😉

A similar problem forced Webber’s team mate Sebastian Vettel to start the 2012 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix from the back of the grid.

And he fought his way up to 3rd place 😉

Well here we go again,somehow Mark Webbers car ran out of fuel in qualifying 2 and is now at the back of the grid(probably to stop him racing with the blue eyed kraut(yes I have used that word again) Funny Vettels car did not do the same. I call “shenaigans”!!!!

Good luck Seb I hope someone nerfs you off on a corner lets see your false smile then.(the rest is unprintable but you probably can imagine it!)

Red Bulls idea of VIP treatment lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/red-bulls-vip-trip-budget-airline-hotel-in-the-wrong-country-and-youre-not-a-vip-8512210.html

That would of course be in your not so humble opinion. He has won 9 grands prix. Keke Rosberg only won 5 GPs and was world champion. The great majority of F1 drivers go through their whole career without a win.

Keke Rosberg was consistent though. Something Mark Webber isn’t.

Amazes me no end, people moan about drivers that obey team orders, yet moan again when they don’t. Some people moan just for the sake of it! Get a life and enjoy it. (Not in reply to baldrick).

Just a couple of pics to put it all in perspective

Just have a smile and remember the golden days when Motor Racing was a sport!

That would of course be in your not so humble opinion. He has won 9 grands prix. The great majority of F1 drivers go through their whole career without a win.

Well vettel does not always finish the race 😉

Webber may have hidden talents Edgar !
Maybe he is a good development driver or something,but he has shown no signs of being a championship calibre driver.

That would of course be in your not so humble opinion. He has won 9 grands prix. Keke Rosberg only won 5 GPs and was world champion. The great majority of F1 drivers go through their whole career without a win.

It’s about time you dropped this “below average” crap about Webber; a winning team, like Red Bull, can afford to pick and choose, and, if they thought that there was a better driver available, they would not have stuck with Webber, year after year, but would have found somebody else.

Webber may have hidden talents Edgar !
Maybe he is a good development driver or something,but he has shown no signs of being a championship calibre driver.

I am not saying webber is a really bad driver per se but he is totally outclassed in consistency by vettel – he is in the same position as massa was in for years…he is not a bad driver per se but lacks the consistency and drive (sorry for pun) to be a champ.
And also as I said earlier many fans have bemoaned processional races in the past and now are moaning because a driver is willing to ignore team orders and go for it…there is obviously no love lost between vettel and webber anyway…it must be a nightmare for the team management to try and placate all the ego,s :D…it is a giggle -no need to get too worked up about it 🙂

Well, pffft, he is. 9 wins in over 10 years. They’re solid and well deserved wins, especially in Monte Carlo and Silverstone. And as I say, he can win for sure no doubt about it, but he’s too inconsistent and his wins are too few and too far inbetween, and I say again, he’s not championship material. He’s no Alonso or Hamilton.

Having two drivers with the same calibre can be more damaging than having a great driver and a ‘okay’ driver. Remember the problems Mclaren and their sponsors had with Senna and Prost… Egos ‘R’ Us!

It’s about time you dropped this “below average” crap about Webber; a winning team, like Red Bull, can afford to pick and choose, and, if they thought that there was a better driver available, they would not have stuck with Webber, year after year, but would have found somebody else.

Stats, schmatz. The stats do not tell you everything :rolleyes:

Well, erm. They do tell you a hell of a lot! Mark Webber has been in Formula 1 since 2002, Vettel has been in a lot less. Look at what they’ve achieved in their time.

Vettel has been the glint in the Redbull Team Principle’s eye and as such has enjoyed preferential treatment and protection, as alluded to by Webber in his frustration on Sunday which was not denied by this Dr. whatshisname, the man in question.

Like a lot of drivers, Lewis was a glint in Mclaren’s eyes as was Senna which he was for Williams too, Micheal was for Ferrari and Benetton, Mika was for Mclaren (even more so than Lewis), Clark and Hill were for Lotus, Stewert for Tyrell, Prost – Mclaren, Williams, early days of Ferrari, Alonso – Ferrari, Vettel – Red Bull… how many more can one list? Theres a perfectly good reason for this, the reason being is because they have that “thing” to win. As much as I like Mark Webber, he isn’t anything special. He can win for sure but he isn’t championship material, though I’d like to be proved wrong on that because I like the guy. But he’s had well over 10 years in Formula 1, he’s hardly been head hunted after.

Anyway, if Vettel is the glint in Red Bull’s eyes why was he told to hold back and let Webber win? Surely Mark should’ve been told to pull over and let Seb through?

Time and again Webber was told to let Vettel pass. The stats show success under those circumstances. They do not reflect the reality of what both drivers are capable of. I think Webber is more than capable and in the same league of skill as Vettel. He’s just more mature. Vettel is a spoiled brat with an ego to match.

See above.

True what you say about Webber keeping back to help Vettel. But you forget how many times Vettel has been in front and Webber couldn’t even catch him. Most of the time Webber has been outclassed by Seb. If Mark wants to win, he can either show it and do it more often or he can simply find another team and prove he is better than Seb that way.

If I may add, Martin Brundle would agree; Vettel is probably the only driver on the grid that can talk at great length to any reporter, about anything. Other drivers spend more time moaning. If I quote Martin Brundle from a few years ago: ‘He talks to reporters, he answers all of their questions, he asks questions, and all with a friendly smile… he’s giving Grand Prix drivers a bad name!’

Only to the elite ruthless arrogant punks like Vettel.
As Coulthard correctly commented, a driver drives for the team, the manufacturer, the sponsors. The driver has to keep them happy. If you defy their orders you create friction and can find yourself without a team rapidly.

Yes… :rolleyes:

Still, you wouldn’t turn down Vettel to join your team if you wanted to win races and championships. Unless you’re a charity for sympathy and hire a below average driver like Webber.

I wonder. Would you have moaned if Seb had held his place and there for had a boring race? Most probably.

If you defy their orders you create friction and can find yourself without a team rapidly.

Is that necessarily the case? I suppose it might depend on who the driver was. Some are bigger than the team and could take sponsorship with them. But it all has a rather tawdry feel to it nowadays….:(

Vettel is “dangerous”?… I don’t see him deliberately ramming other drivers when he gets into a strop like that no good Pastor Maldonado does

I seem to recall Schumacher also doing the odd dodgy move when things weren’t going his way.

Webber is a below average driver and Vettel is in a different league as the stats say.

Stats, schmatz. The stats do not tell you everything :rolleyes:
Vettel has been the glint in the Redbull Team Principle’s eye and as such has enjoyed preferential treatment and protection, as alluded to by Webber in his frustration on Sunday which was not denied by this Dr. whatshisname, the man in question.

Time and again Webber was told to let Vettel pass. The stats show success under those circumstances. They do not reflect the reality of what both drivers are capable of. I think Webber is more than capable and in the same league of skill as Vettel. He’s just more mature. Vettel is a spoiled brat with an ego to match.

This is Formula 1! Ruthless, competitive and full of arrogant egos with a desire to do nothing but win! Drivers come first in their mind

Only to the elite ruthless arrogant punks like Vettel.
As Coulthard correctly commented, a driver drives for the team, the manufacturer, the sponsors. The driver has to keep them happy. If you defy their orders you create friction and can find yourself without a team rapidly.

Jim, that really does fall solidly into the “No s**t Sherlock” category of postings :D:D:D

Moggy

I aim to please. 😀
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Its been about money ever since the Lotus team first stuck decals on the side of their car in the late 60s. On one hand it’s brought controversy, on the other what’s it brought?… Money obviously, but in turn its saved lives all for spectators, drivers and team members, advances in designs, road safety… the list is endless. Without sponsorship the sport would have never progressed in these areas.

No sponsor wants to see an F1 car in a heap blended into the side of a barrier in flames burning the driver to death with their brand on the side, do they.

Besides. Would this Williams FW18 look better without sponsorship decals and that helmet?

I think not! 😀