False posting on iBay, part not from Hawker Tempest JN765 crash

Whilst I was sleeping, others answered for me and, basically, their perception of my view was correct. But when I made my remark, I was expressing disbelief that the seller had acted creditably and that he/she withdrew the item as a result of receiving information leading to him/her ‘discovering’ that the item that he/she was selling was not what he/she ‘believed’ it to be. It is my belief that the item was withdrawn because the seller realised that the game was up!

As Stuart pointed out above, he also sold a “Typhoon/Tempist” throttle box last week which patently was no such thing. It only fetched £60 odd in the end, so I like to think that no one was fooled by it – maybe our discussion in the eBay thread put potential buyers off and I hope it was bought by someone who knew exactly what it is and has a use for it!

I’d never buy any of that “relic” stuff that gets sold on eBay without adequate provenance and, to my mind at least, none of his other items come with anything more than a piece of laminated paper stating what they are supposed to be from?

It’s just too easy – get hold of any old piece of junk from a crash site, wrap a “sexy” description around and flog it to the gullible on eBay.

Piece of Dambuster Lancaster anyone, I’ve got tons of it out in the garage?!

Believe what?

That the seller was acting as an agent and not the real owner.

I have seen this seller before, and I think I purchased an image from him once. While I have no reason to believe he is insincere, there is a lot of fraud going around and people desperate for money, so caveat emptor.

Believe what?

Believe that and you’ll believe anything.

Well done all, everyone helped stop someone being had over on ebay. Credit to the seller as well for listening to you and removing the item .

He said he ended it himself as the provenance was no longer there and he had further messages telling him what it was and wasn’t, so kudos to him, he did say that the other owner had been fooled too.

It has been ‘ended’. I also sent the seller a message asking for provenance, got no reply.

Not from a war grave though as it’s not from the Tempest.

Have you tried using the e-bay ‘fraudulent listing’ tool on the ebay site

Already done when it got a bidder, I also let him know what it was and it is still up, I also told him I had raised the issue with ebay, I had thought to outbid it and raise it direct with ebay as the buyer..

What of it being a “war grave”?
Since the pilot died in the crash and there is a set of laws against disturbing war graves.
(Admitadly I do not know the details, just from what I read about the Cosford Do-17 not being a war grave since all the few was accounted for)

FP,

Have you tried using the e-bay ‘fraudulent listing’ tool on the ebay site, rather than trying to woo the vendor? (don’t try phoning their help line, that really will make you a bit irritated, a lot!!!) to at least notify them that this item is not exactly what it is purported to be.

I have done this several times to opportunist sellers that are ‘selling genuine’ war medals, that are so blatantly not to the more erudite and informed amongst their viewers. (A well known forumite got stung by a dodgy DFC a few years ago due to understandable ignorance/lack of knowledge of the subject).

The downside is they never tell you the outcome but, at least you can rest assured you have ‘done the right thing’ on a moral perspective.

Martyn

GYD

Seller said no reply from owner, but will remove listing if questions persist.

He has a bidder though, is he going to own up to him?

Seller said no reply from owner, but will remove listing if questions persist.

I have contacted the seller as well.

Still no reply from seller.

Why am I not surprised.

Yes I can see what you’re saying Tony and the flange has been sawn off the actual crankshaft. Maybe one of those that were scrapped about 25 years ago when that AD was in where you had to remove the Hubbard plug and check for internal corrosion. Looking at it again those markings around the outer edge would be the mag timing marks. I believe you are correct.:)

They are Mag Timing marks, was not clear in my OP.

But O-200, that image seems spot on, seen a bunch of them. Could be O-300 as its just a longer O-200 but not as common.

Still no reply from seller.

Yes, the layout is very similar to a Continental O-200 minus the pressed in prop nuts, note the small locating hole.

from

http://www.aircraft-specialties.com/o-200-crankshaft-653012/

Yes I can see what you’re saying Tony and the flange has been sawn off the actual crankshaft. Maybe one of those that were scrapped about 25 years ago when that AD was in where you had to remove the Hubbard plug and check for internal corrosion. Looking at it again those markings around the outer edge would be the mag timing marks. I believe you are correct.:)

I normally spend my time peering in the other end Sopwith, but isn’t it the oil path for the wobbly prop / sludge trap.

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I can see the similarity to a Continental but, I’m not convinced that it is, because it’s not off a tapered crankshaft [early one] and definitely not from a later flanged crankshaft and what is that quill in the centre of it on the ebay listing?