Family of four kicked off flight because of screaming toddler

Yep, really.
Was discussing your viewpoint, not you.
Although i can see the wording i used would allow you to extrapolate to it being a comment on yourself.
Both you are lardy have seen fit to make comment upon me as a person based merely on the fact that i disagree with your opinions.

Actually Arthur i think you will find that i have not formed any overall opinion of you and certainly not expressed any such or made any claims of knowledge of you or lardy such as you both have seen fit to do about me.

Really?

your blinkered, biased, cos you’ve got precious little darlings

Let’s get a few points straight:
1. There is no way on God’s Earth that the situation is going to change.
2. My solution is : Click here
3. The only thing I really object to is kicking the back of my seat, but then I take it up directly with that passenger :diablo:
4. To avoid #3, I usually book a seat in the last row (possible with online bookings now).

Actually Arthur i think you will find that i have not formed any overall opinion of you and certainly not expressed any such or made any claims of knowledge of you or lardy such as you both have seen fit to do about me.
I have commented on the worth of your opinions on me, based as they are on flimsy to no evidence.

Snafu352

It is an internet forum using the written word. I can only base my opinion of you on what you write. Using this method I have come to a conclusion. We all do this, you have done it yourself. It may well be wrong but based on the information to hand it is the only conclusion I can come to.
If you feel you have been misrepresented then please enlighten us. Otherwise I think you know what to do……

New members opinions are like shooting stars burning brightly for a short time before self extinguishing. 😉

Some interesting and widely varied points of view here. :eek::diablo:

Strange post there lardy, would love you to explain how the last line was hypocritical??
As for my competances or lack of them; you just like Arthur, are extrapolating based on little to no evidence, merely concluding what you want to because you don’t like my opinion. Shaky basis for an opinion and not commending it as worthy of consideration. 😀
Neither of you have any knowledge of my level of experience with children.
Clearly the thought that my day job or past experiences may involve or have involved, extensive contact with little darlings has not drifted through your blinkered, biased, cos you’ve got precious little darlings (like the majority of the world :rolleyes:) viewpoint. 😀

Dear Arthur,

1) You have no idea of my attitude to children. Your basing of conclusions on flimsy to no evidence tell me all i need to know about the worth of your opinions. 😀

2) Some people don’t like having to put up with the screaming and crying of other people’s children.

Deal with it. 😀

I particularly enjoyed the last line of the above post, it’s a bit hypocritical. Good ole Snafu is patently completely unable to deal with a crying kid. He makes the poor old parents who DO have to deal with crying kid or kids look positively heroic.

I think this may have stemmed from the modern trend of intollerance to others.

An intollerance that to a certain degree is showing itself in the posts.

What do you think a poll of the passenger’s opinions on ‘to stay or get the boot’ would be if the pilot had asked? 😉

Tell me all I need to know about your attitude to children in general.

Some people have children and some dare to take them travelling with them. Deal with it.

Dear Arthur,

1) You have no idea of my attitude to children. Your basing of conclusions on flimsy to no evidence tell me all i need to know about the worth of your opinions. 😀

2) Some people don’t like having to put up with the screaming and crying of other people’s children.

Deal with it. 😀

Getting back to the original topic, you have to consider what the Capt was being told to do by his ops people if he had contacted them for advice. Still a bit mean though, unless someone thought it was to set an example. Ultimately I would have thought it would have a more negative publicity outcome.

As to the choice issue, I do feel I’m being made to feel like an inconsiderate member of society, worthy of an ASBO for having done what is one of the most natural things in the world to do.

I do have friends/colleagues who have no children & respect their choice. We all co exist peacefully (ish) together. But I do sometimes understand how the smokers at work feel when they are banished to the smoking area in the carpark to indulge in their “filthy” habit.

Us parents don’t just go on holiday with children on A/C. I lived and worked in Germany where I met my childrens’ mother at my place of employment. My first son was born in Germany. We all now live in the UK. We have taken the children (now 5, 6 & 8) on an aircraft to visit their relatives in Germany several times. The eldest came over the first few times between the age of 8 months and 16 months with no problem.

It would be far crueller to subject them to a cramped 12 hour car journey than a 1 1/2 hour flight. We only just get into the “are we there yet ?” phase with the plane.

I never had any more trouble with them on an A/C than in the car. It may be because they have been bought up with aviation books, pictures, dvds etc around them that A/C aren’t so alien to them. The only thing they don’t like is the ear popping, or lack of it during climb/descent.

Part quote from Lardy Git: ‘As we reach the end of our lives we can look forward to rotting away unwashed, unfed and uncared for in a disintegrating hospital’

That’s been the fate of many old people, kids or no kids. I should know, it happened to my Nan, but perhaps that’s for another websites forum

What a load of drivel.

It wasn’t actually directed at you but if you feel that it was then I cannot really comment.

We took our daughter abroad when she was 3. According to you I am guilty of something tantamount to child abuse. Now that is talking drivel. Our 3 year old was well behaved and thoroughly enjoyed her experience – an experience that the likes of you would you deny her.

Your use of phrases like

“Taking babes in arms on holidays by air is pathetic and tantamount to child abuse.”

owners of little darlings

Tell me all I need to know about your attitude to children in general.

Some people have children and some dare to take them travelling with them. Deal with it.

Perhaps those that have a problem with other people’s children should have no more involvement with them; now or in the future. I’m sure they would be much happier only having themselves to deal with and having no interaction with any one else at all. Let’s hope none of them need any help from anyone in future.

What a load of drivel.

Babes in arms, should not be on flights. Kids older than 4 or 5, no problem.

That only translates into “all kids” if you are trying to mis-repesent what has been said.

Only a weak argument attempts to mis-represent the other side.

I’m guessing that this part of my first post on this topic was the element that upset the owners of little darlings:
“Taking babes in arms on holidays by air is pathetic and tantamount to child abuse.”

Would those who object to this statement please detail why it is inaccurate?

What a crock of **** , so just because people choice to have kids they should not take a holiday to the place of there choice.

Ah… the “choice” crock of **** argument.

When you have kids your “choices” and responsibilities change.

There is now a responsibility to the kid and there is also the continuing responsibility to others, you are now also responsible for little darlings actions until they are old enough to be responsible for themselves.

“Choice” all to often seems to be about doing what you want with no concern for others.

Nothing wrong with kids who are of an age to appreciate the trip and can behave appropriately travelling. Taking babes in arms who won’t remember a thing and in all probability will experience pain is selfish and irresponsible.

But hey it’s all about “choice.”

You can do what you want in this World as long as you don’t knowingly negatively impact others.

Perhaps those that have a problem with other people’s children should have no more involvement with them; now or in the future. I’m sure they would be much happier only having themselves to deal with and having no interaction with any one else at all. Let’s hope none of them need any help from anyone in future.

Indeed Paul.

A few years ago when my daughter(see picture below) was two years old, we were traveling from LBV to JNB on our vacation. We arrived at the airport the mandatory 2 hours before departure only to find that the airline (Inter Air South Africa) had sent a smaller plane (737 instead of the 727) and couldn’t accommodate all the passengers, us being on the bump list. I found a old business card from my flying days and paid one of the ground staff to take it to the captain. He turned out to be an ex colleague and good friend, and gave us the cockpit jumpseat. We did an enroute fueling stop at Brazzaville so she got to see two takeoffs and two landings. She was extremely well behaved all the way and that day turned out one of the better days of my life. Unfortunately she was too young to remember and I didn’t have a camera.

In general an aeroplane is not an environment for any child under the age of around 5 or 6.

As another poster has mentioned there are plenty of holiday destinations within reach by car which will only involve pain for the parents and other siblings of the little darling.

Taking babes in arms on holidays by air is pathetic and tantamount to child abuse.

What a crock of **** , so just because people choice to have kids they should not take a holiday to the place of there choice.