Fascinating 109 wreck pics…

OK, I have a Zip file of all the pics that were displayed, if anyone wants them I will send them, but after a few days, as I don’t want to send to each person individually, so will wait till I have a few takers. File is around 5MB, it will contain the ‘remains’ pics and I notice one or two don’t open in photoshop.

Dave

[email]dave.mcdonald@xtra.co.nz[/email]

I’ve heard horror stories about the remains of german pilots being desicrated in Russia – a friend of mine brought up a bf109 from a lake with the pilot still in it. The russian recovery crew promptly tossed him back in the lake – there is still a lot of serious animosity towards the germans in the east.

Maybe it’s easier for us to see things differently, as we in Britain were not over run by Nazi occupiers and forced to endure the terror of that brutal regime. I can believe that there are still strong feelings in Russia, and probably the other way round too, especially in Eastern Germany, it will probably never be totally forgotten. I hope that whoever was flying this machine will be flown home for a proper burial, I assume that he was flying with ID tags and could be identified?

They mention a swamp, I presume that it has frozen? I understand that the Yak 1 currently under restoration at Hawker Restorations was recovered from a frozen lake in somewhat more complete condition though!

Guys

The pics were taken off because of the big debate as to weather they should have been up in the first place..obviously the Russians have a slightly different view about the whole thing that we westerners do, and some of them read the mirror board that is english.
I have requested pics from the source and will let you know if I get them..minus the ‘remains’ pics ;-0

Dave

If the pics were of the pilots remains, then that’s fair enough. Would be nice to see the overal condition of the aircraft though.

I also followed this link but all I got was PAGE NOT FOUND.

I followed the link and every time I hit a photo link, it comes up with a 404 message. Any one else got this problem?

Guys

The pics were taken off because of the big debate as to weather they should have been up in the first place..obviously the Russians have a slightly different view about the whole thing that we westerners do, and some of them read the mirror board that is english.
I have requested pics from the source and will let you know if I get them..minus the ‘remains’ pics ;-0

Dave

I saw the pics – the preservation was truely remarkable. I don’t think it was at all appropriate to post the pics of the pilots remains – but these went up on the sturmovik site so i’m afraid it’s not surprising. I’ve heard horror stories about the remains of german pilots being desicrated in Russia – a friend of mine brought up a bf109 from a lake with the pilot still in it. The russian recovery crew promptly tossed him back in the lake – there is still a lot of serious animosity towards the germans in the east.

Guys

The pics were taken off because of the big debate as to weather they should have been up in the first place..obviously the Russians have a slightly different view about the whole thing that we westerners do, and some of them read the mirror board that is english.
I have requested pics from the source and will let you know if I get them..minus the ‘remains’ pics ;-0

Dave

Same thing, cant see anything and it sounds fascinating. Any help please?
Thanks

The pix are gone

Hi,

I would love to see pix of the wreck, with all respect to the fallen pilot. Every time I click on one of the links it times out. Do you know if anyone saved the pix?

Thanks,

Scott
Texas

Not wishing to go down the political route, just out of interest and respect for the fallen, but in such as case like this would there be a full military service at a German miltary cemetary…or does this sort of thing ‘go quietly unoticed’ over there..?

Still not pleased about the publishing of the poor guys remains… 😡

I cannot agree more Peter

Today any missing person, no matter from which nation, just deserves to be brought home.

Cheers

Cees

I was amazed at the condition of the wreckage but was saddened by the pics of the remains. We all talk about how great it would be to find these aircraft either crash remains or other, but we never really stop and think of the loss of life that goes with them.
I am pleased to hear that this airman that paid the supreme sacrifice for his country will finally be laid to rest

Wk# cross reference?

Can anyone cross reference the Werke# for the plane (19438 or 10438). Looks like a 109-E4. I’m sure more than a few people here would be interested to know more about the history of the flight, and the identity of the pilot.

Mike

There is more info and a few arguements here…loss info starts to appear on page 2. I have made some further inquiries in Russia , so hopefully will get more info.
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=776101785

regards
Dave

I agree with Steve up to a point – but hopefully the pilot will have a decent buriel and his effects returned to his family.

The condition of the find is astonishing though – some of the parts look as if they left the factory last week. How many other sites like this must there be throughout Russia?

JC

Very sobering. Those little personal items are what hit you the most; banknotes, rings, a 1938 christmas present from Margot… In a way, I wish I hadn’t looked at the pictures, it feels like a bit of an intrusion really. I hope this particular young man is finally given the burial he needs.

I cut and pasted some of the text into bablefish and got the following, the chap seems saddened to have found human remains which is a good thing and indicates (to me at least) that he is part of a proper historical group rather than a bunch of souvenir hunting scroats.
Can anyone on here speak Russian for a better translation ?

From the babelfish:

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