Fascism, without the benefits.

Ahh yes. Regulate your society based on the lowest common denominator. And people wonder why the western societies are failing.

Unfortunately, we’ve seen what the nutters this side of the pond do with them aswell. Dunblane, Hungerford; those are the reasons we’re no longer alowed to own pistols and rifles.

I got clocked doing 45 in a 60 zone and nearly got turned over for 3 points and £60 fine , I was in a 7.5 truck but the police or whoever looks at the photo’s [A50 near M1 a very short length of single carriage road :rolleyes:] said it was a HGV , at the end of the day when everything was ‘Reluctantly ‘ sorted out , it was squashed .
Did you know that an HGV vehicle can not go over 40 mph on any single carriage road . even if its an ‘A’ road , its a danger to the public ..so ! all other traffic has to overtake into oncoming traffic to get past , that sounds sensible ! , but the camera bagged the Police not the council £ 1 .5 million in one year , and thats just one camera !

The French looked across the Channel a few years ago and realised how much revenue the cameras could generate and so they sprung up all over France. At least they are marked on the road maps.

If there were no fines, just point deductions for every offence cameras would be perceived as deterrents. Anyone who breaks any law takes the risk and they know it. It’s all about attitude and old shape’s experience of the Nazi cop bears out mine, recently. It never used to be like that and in years past police acted like human beings rather than law enforcement automatons.

Couple of points.
I agree, the cash vulgarises the process.
As for maps, the fixed ones are all marked on UK maps, and they are on all the SatNavs (I’ve still got a Sat Nag). Also, more fundementally, DECENT local newspapers publish 1 week in advance the positions of the mobile units and the roads upon which the Trap-cars are patrolling. All this data has to be registered with the local council a week ahead, to ensure that roadworks/ pavement works etc. are not going on at that place. Of course you know that all the positions of the mobile lairs are registered, and are also on SatNavs. They can’t just plonk a camera there willy-nilly.

It’s not so much that Police ‘act as automatons’, they are doing their job and the job has changed to one where figures count more than anything else.

The French looked across the Channel a few years ago and realised how much revenue the cameras could generate and so they sprung up all over France. At least they are marked on the road maps.

If there were no fines, just point deductions for every offence cameras would be perceived as deterrents. Anyone who breaks any law takes the risk and they know it. It’s all about attitude and old shape’s experience of the Nazi cop bears out mine, recently. It never used to be like that and in years past police acted like human beings rather than law enforcement automatons.

I agree with what you are saying however, with the destruction of so many ‘speed cameras’ by disgruntled citizens, for they were blantantly used as cash cows, the government put warning signs up, Dayglo’d the rear and published all the sites, even the where the vans hang out. Thats people power, as they would not have done that ordinarily. I can see the same happening for some cctv cameras in certain circumstances but the Brits in general like to be looked after in this way so I don’t think it will become an issue unless it’s abused by the authorities.

But now they park the van behind a hedge and put the camera on a tripod.

May I humbly request to be hired to do the destroying?! 😀

When Old shape and me come to power, speed camera vans will be destroyed!

I always stick to 30 and 40 by speedo monitoring. 50 and above I tend to go with the traffic.
I was done at 33mph by a Nazi in a mobile van at the bottom of a hill! This was the thickness of a speedo dial line.
No matter what anybody says, the cameras are used to generate cash, they are NEVER used to generate a safety report on road condition, bad bend etc.
The cash goes 3 ways, Police (Government), Local NHS (Fines to pay due to negligence) and the Council (All bent as hairpins). The drive for speed fines is immense!

Good man.

I’d hate to think they weren’t properly maintained.

Do you hear those Black Helicopters?

Do you HEAR them?

:rolleyes:

Hear them? I maintain them….:D

Good point, Grey.
And if people didn’t beat, stab, steal and rob there wouldn’t be any need for cctv.

Mind you, spitfireman, if people stuck to the speed limit there wouldn’t be a problem would there?

I agree with what you are saying however, with the destruction of so many ‘speed cameras’ by disgruntled citizens, for they were blantantly used as cash cows, the government put warning signs up, Dayglo’d the rear and published all the sites, even the where the vans hang out. Thats people power, as they would not have done that ordinarily. I can see the same happening for some cctv cameras in certain circumstances but the Brits in general like to be looked after in this way so I don’t think it will become an issue unless it’s abused by the authorities.

Last year it emerged that police have already been handed ‘Chinese-style’ powers to enter private-homes and seize political posters during the London games.
The measures passed by the Government will allow officers and Olympics officials to enter homes and shops near official venues to confiscate protest material.
The powers were introduced to preserve the monopoly of official advertisers on the London 2012 site and would allow advertising posters or hoardings placed in homes to be removed.
The law was drawn so widely, however, that it includes ‘ non-commercial material’ – which could extend its reach to include legitimate campaign literature.

Unquote.

The late Markus Wolf who was head of the international department at the State Security or ‘Stasi” in the GDR said on a radio interview in Germany that if he had had the surveillance capability of the UK then he would have been a very happy man and the GDR would, in his opinion still have been around. Having visited the GDR a few times the similarities with it and ‘modern’ Britain are chilling and a very longstanding German friend of mine said recently that he felt that the UK had sleepwalked into very dangerous
territory and that we should get off our collective a*+es and do something about it soon before it is too late. As a citizen of the GDR for some 30 yrs of his life……he should know.

You guys need to go back to the good parts of your history – like the Magna Carta, and the days when the people could stand up against tyrants

Which is why the U.S. isn’t “the west counties” or part of Canada.

…and were capable of quickly banding together to resist invaders…

Which is why the U.S. has a written constitution which limits the power of government and among many other things, allows the ownership of the private firearms the U.K. has pretty much banned.

Unfortunately, we’ve seen what the nutters this side of the pond do with them aswell. Dunblane, Hungerford; those are the reasons we’re no longer alowed to own pistols and rifles.

It all started at the end of WW1 – after the revolutionaries in Russia topped the Czar and his family, relatives of Queen Victoria. Up to then, Russia was run on very similar lines to Britain, and the British government were petrified that disgruntled armed soldiers returning from the trenches would do the same. They had a firearm amnesty, and over a million ex-service revolvers and rifles were handed in, then came restrictions on who could own them…

A tad off…

subject but not totally and this being general discussion after all :

LOL…:D

Have you got a link?

No, it was from another forum. They quoted the press. I’m sure if you used the first sentance on Google it would be found.

You guys need to go back to the good parts of your history – like the Magna Carta, and the days when the people could stand up against tyrants, and were capable of quickly banding together to resist invaders…

Ryan

……too late, mate…………:(

(I have a rolled up newspaper next to the bed;))