Fender stratocaster

I never cared for the bland and boring lines of the Strat-style guitars myself. A bolt-on does absolutely nothing for me either, nor do the Gibson/Epiphone set necks. Give me a good ESP or Jackson any day, with a BC Rich as a backup. If you want another iconic guitar styling that I myself would identify with far more than the Strat style, what about the original Randy Rhoads Jackson offset V?

BC Rich? Ugh! Horrible pointy things! 😀

Paul

I never cared for the bland and boring lines of the Strat-style guitars myself. A bolt-on does absolutely nothing for me either, nor do the Gibson/Epiphone set necks. Give me a good ESP or Jackson any day, with a BC Rich as a backup. If you want another iconic guitar styling that I myself would identify with far more than the Strat style, what about the original Randy Rhoads Jackson offset V?

Jimi Hendrix used probaly hundreds of guitars throughout his very short but amazing life. Most of these guitars were of course, Fender Stratocasters. From 1966 to 1968 Jimi used an assortment of rosewood-neck model and on rare occassion he would use a maple-neck model.
In the Fall of 1968 Jimi acquired two new Strats. The first one was a black maple-neck model. The second Strat Hendrix purchased was a blond-maple neck model. As the book, Jimi Hendrix: Electric Gypsy points out, “these two models remained Jimi’s main choice of guitar for the rest of his career.”
Although Jimi is most identified with the Fender Stratocaster, he owned and played many other makes of guitars. For example, he owned a ’59 Hofner Club 40. Jimi also owned an Epiphone Acoustic, and a ’67 Gretsch Corvette. Along with these guitars Jimi owned a Fender Jaguar and a Fender Jazzman.
Towards the beginning of his career, Jimi purchased a Gibson Flying-V. Jimi can be seen playing this guitar in a few pictures from his ’67 American tour. In 1970 Jimi purchased a black Flying-V. This guitar was used in live performance for songs such as “Hey Baby(Land of the New Rising Sun”), as well as a few other melodic numbers. A few other Gibson guitars that Hendrix owned included a black Les Paul, and a white SG Custom type 2. Jimi played this SG for his September 9, 1969 appearance on the “Dick Cavett Show.”
A guitar that Jimi never owned, yet deserves a mention, is a 1960 12-string-Zemaitis Acoustic. Jimi played this particular guitar on ‘Getting My Heart Back Together Again’ in the documentary film See My Music Talking. This guitar now hangs in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, Ohio.

as this thread has ‘deviated’ onto players (& Hendrix, etc) I’ll attempt to get it back on track ????????? (Re;’ the ORIGINAL point of thread !!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Re; your initial post, Vic’45……………

BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT

anyone who disputes that is either…………

A, – unknowledgeable about guitars

B, – full of B.S. 😀 ……………(or)………..

C, – A Gibson ‘Afficianado’ !!!!!!!!!!

(plenty around, & some who don’t even play, or own them ! :rolleyes: )

I’ve been playing since 1977, & owned all the ‘famous’ types & name-brands

(still do, most !)

Everyone has a preference………….

Over the last 30 – 35 years, I’ve heard many ‘spout-off’ who don’t own, or can’t even play the instrument !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(yet, they (understandably) have a right to an ‘opinion’)

Personally, I’d respect the opinion of a fellow musician, 1st & foremost, although having seen ~(some of) ‘Ren-Frew’ & ‘PMN’s posts – I’m (severely) inclined to disagree about Gibson 335’s & 1951 Precision Bass’s

In terms of ‘iconic’ status those two are ‘also-ran’s’, with the more modern shape ‘Precision’ bass being more iconic, (along with the Fender ‘Jazz’ – I own several of each)

Whilst most (wannabe:rolleyes: ) ‘Ephiphone’ ‘Les-Paul’ owners, & numerous ‘Gibsonites’ on this forum are (probably) throwing their Teddies in a ‘Hissy-Fit’, I’ll conceed, that I’m ALSO a ‘Les-Paul’ owner/player !!!!!!!!!!!

I’ll post a pic’ of my own Gibson Les Paul Custom (L/H), (which is individually my most expensive Guitar)……… she plays GREAT (great-action)……yet,

even though my numerous U.S.A. Strat’s are ‘cheaper’, & , (unlike the Gibson, they have ‘the’ Bolt-on Neck’ , I still prefer them, personally.

BUT, as iconic goes, there’s only one winner = FENDER STRATOCASTER !!!!

(Cat amongst Pidgeons !!!!!!!!!) 😀 😀 😀 :diablo:

(P.S. Rush/Lifeson ‘Fanatic’ here too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!) “Red-Barchetta” ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

Hmm… Apart from trying to put your point of view across as being somewhat more important than anyone elses, you also failed spectacularly to understand that opinions expressed here are just that. ‘Opinions’. I, as a bassist feel more of a connection with the Precision than the Strat, and thus in terms of iconic design feel the Precision (which, as I’m sure you’re aware appeared in 1951) has more significance to me that its smaller six stringed counterpart.

My apologies if I’ve misinterpreted your post, by the way. It’s just that the general arrogance and lack of comprehendable punctuation or grammar made it a little difficult to understand. 🙂

Paul

I’ve never seen Alex Lifeson using a Fender Voodoo Stratocaster….. :confused: :confused: :confused:

Alex told me, these are ‘Voodoo’s’………. (lol, 😀 😀 😀 )

From the “Permanent*-Waves”, “Moving*-Pictures” & “Signals” era (*Lush !)

The greatest rock guitarist the world has ever seen used a fender Voodoo Stratocaster ..

Sorry to upset you Steve, but whilst Hendrix was ALIVE there was no-such thing, as a Fender ‘Voodoo’ Stratocaster !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anything bearing that ‘Voodoo‘ ‘tag’, would be Pothsumous !

Whilst he was alive – making & recording music, he was (generally) using “‘CBS’ era” Fender (standard) Stratocasters, of mid or late sixties vintage, with the (‘CBS’ era) wider, fatter, headstocks……so disliked by the (so called) ‘purists’, with their (later) Black & Gold logo’s

that style headstock, (& Black & Gold logo) has just been re-introduced, on the Latest “HIGHWAY 1” Stratocasters (called “upgrade” versions !!!!!)

The most iconic guitar ever made and played Agree?:cool: 😎 😎

as this thread has ‘deviated’ onto players (& Hendrix, etc) I’ll attempt to get it back on track ????????? (Re;’ the ORIGINAL point of thread !!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Re; your initial post, Vic’45……………

BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT

anyone who disputes that is either…………

A, – unknowledgeable about guitars

B, – full of B.S. 😀 ……………(or)………..

C, – A Gibson ‘Afficianado’ !!!!!!!!!!

(plenty around, & some who don’t even play, or own them ! :rolleyes: )

I’ve been playing since 1977, & owned all the ‘famous’ types & name-brands

(still do, most !)

Everyone has a preference………….

Over the last 30 – 35 years, I’ve heard many ‘spout-off’ who don’t own, or can’t even play the instrument !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(yet, they (understandably) have a right to an ‘opinion’)

Personally, I’d respect the opinion of a fellow musician, 1st & foremost, although having seen ~(some of) ‘Ren-Frew’ & ‘PMN’s posts – I’m (severely) inclined to disagree about Gibson 335’s & 1951 Precision Bass’s

In terms of ‘iconic’ status those two are ‘also-ran’s’, with the more modern shape ‘Precision’ bass being more iconic, (along with the Fender ‘Jazz’ – I own several of each)

Whilst most (wannabe:rolleyes: ) ‘Ephiphone’ ‘Les-Paul’ owners, & numerous ‘Gibsonites’ on this forum are (probably) throwing their Teddies in a ‘Hissy-Fit’, I’ll conceed, that I’m ALSO a ‘Les-Paul’ owner/player !!!!!!!!!!!

I’ll post a pic’ of my own Gibson Les Paul Custom (L/H), (which is individually my most expensive Guitar)……… she plays GREAT (great-action)……yet,

even though my numerous U.S.A. Strat’s are ‘cheaper’, & , (unlike the Gibson, they have ‘the’ Bolt-on Neck’ , I still prefer them, personally.

BUT, as iconic goes, there’s only one winner = FENDER STRATOCASTER !!!!

(Cat amongst Pidgeons !!!!!!!!!) 😀 😀 😀 :diablo:

(P.S. Rush/Lifeson ‘Fanatic’ here too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!) “Red-Barchetta” ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

Of course “Best” in and of itself is purely subjective. But from a technical standpoint there are things you can point out as to why Hendrix was called the best. Most people will mention either that Hendrix was lightyears ahead of everyone in music skill or that he was able to create sounds on the guitar that noone else can reproduce. Of course he was able to create sounds like no one else, but it wasnt just the sound itself but rather the melody that is otherworldly. If you listen to some of Hendrix’s live performances, it is very difficult to pin down the melody in a linear way as you can most other melodys. His music seem to transcend the 12 note scale and be somewhere unattainable. There are people who say that Hendrix only covered the tip of the iceberg of what jazz masters like Charlie Parker did, I dont know, I dont understand jazz, it sounds like a bunch of showing off on how many chord progressions you can fit in a measure, and it seems totally lacking of melody (although I wont say it doesnt have one). Although the Blues is not dead as a music form, its no longer a live medium in that most people who play it are only copying the greats and not breaking any new ground. So I think most people are losing hope that we will ever catch up to what Hendrix has done.

GA- Ill have to look that one up, Id be surprised to hear that CTA were on the same bill as Hendrix.

It certainly is subjective. With the technical knowledge I’ve gained after 12 years of mixing bands in pubs, clubs, arenas and stadiums over the last 12 years (and being a musician myself), I know feedback is a very easy thing to produce. Also, to my ears, an inability to pick out a melody generally means there isn’t one. I’m sorry, but Hendrix produced more random, unstructured noise to me, rather than something of genuine musical merit. I have no doubt he was purely soul-driven and was a passionate player, but my ears and personal concepts of music disagree with him being one of the world’s ‘best’ players.

Paul

Err… Could some please define, in a musical context, the word ‘best’? :confused:

Of course “Best” in and of itself is purely subjective. But from a technical standpoint there are things you can point out as to why Hendrix was called the best. Most people will mention either that Hendrix was lightyears ahead of everyone in music skill or that he was able to create sounds on the guitar that noone else can reproduce. Of course he was able to create sounds like no one else, but it wasnt just the sound itself but rather the melody that is otherworldly. If you listen to some of Hendrix’s live performances, it is very difficult to pin down the melody in a linear way as you can most other melodys. His music seem to transcend the 12 note scale and be somewhere unattainable. There are people who say that Hendrix only covered the tip of the iceberg of what jazz masters like Charlie Parker did, I dont know, I dont understand jazz, it sounds like a bunch of showing off on how many chord progressions you can fit in a measure, and it seems totally lacking of melody (although I wont say it doesnt have one). Although the Blues is not dead as a music form, its no longer a live medium in that most people who play it are only copying the greats and not breaking any new ground. So I think most people are losing hope that we will ever catch up to what Hendrix has done.

GA- Ill have to look that one up, Id be surprised to hear that CTA were on the same bill as Hendrix.

Hello,
I’m a Drummer, so not really qualified to comment on the Strat’s playing qualities. However, as an ICON it probably has no equal in the musical world! They DO have to be Fiesta Red though!
On the subject of Design Icons, what do you think of the following? (in no particular order of merit):
Napier Deltic Diesel Engine.
Vespa Scooter (NOT the current one – the original all-steel one).
Eames Chair.
Avro Vulcan.
What are YOUR favourite Design Icons?
Regards
Paul

Phwoarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

fender strat

the greatest guitarist of all time .well its the one who survived the sixties,seventies and eighties, rehab, divorces,and “chirpy chirpy cheep cheep”,not forgetting the skoda octavia mk 1,seriously for me its between scott gorman,robin trower, django reinhart,clapton,and judd proctor,greatest drummer,? has to be hal blaine agree? 😎 😎 😎

Design Icons….

Surely a Mini and E-Type (and possibly a DB 5) must be on a list of UK design icons….

BTW: Nice job in naming the 58 Chevy instead of the 57…the 57 is so over exposed, it’s ceased being an icon and slipped into cliche territory.

And to keep up the auto list, I’d suggest a 1961 Lincoln 4-door convertible, and the Raymond Lowey designed 1963 Studebaker Avanti.
Not to mention the Tatra, Citroen DS series, the Porsche 356 and early 911s, late 20’s Bentleys, the Cord 810/812….I could go on

For aircraft I’d also include the SR-71, and F-86, the Hunter, T-33, F-104, B-58, (pure 50s “jet design”:D ) and the Bell 47G helicopter…there was one hanging in the New York Museum of Modern Art for years…

And finally, the humble Coke bottle. Known the world over and used to describe anything with a pinched (or area ruled) waist.

ride on brother ride on ,:cool: 😎 😎 😎 😎

Yes indeed Paul…. “RRRRRRUSH!!!!”:cool: 😀

Why? Is it last orders already? :p

Paul

playing some BB?:D

Yip, gimme some sweet Lucille anyday of the week.

Err… Could some please define, in a musical context, the word ‘best’? :confused:

Paul

Yes indeed Paul…. “RRRRRRUSH!!!!”:cool: 😀

Err… Could some please define, in a musical context, the word ‘best’? :confused:

Paul

Grey Area, Id take those “underground” press reviews with a major grain of salt. I used to be a rather religous person, and there was a long time rumor floating around about how Hendrix said that Phil Keaggy (a christian rock guitarist) was the best rock guitarist in the world. It wasnt till Phil himself came out and denied that rumor that it was finally (or partially) put to rest. Scroll down to a little before half this webpage and check out the section that says: The Question: “Who is the best guitarist in the world?”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Keaggy

Point well taken, but bear in mind that Jimi Hendrix hired Chicago as support act for his semi-legendary 1968 European tour at a point where they were still to release an album.

This indicates that their live performances must have made a considerable impression at the time, no?

I’ve changed my tune…. Gimme a Gibson 335 anyday (with curly smoke) !

playing some BB?:D

I’ve changed my tune…. Gimme a Gibson 335 anyday (with curly smoke) !

Read and learn, my friend. Quite a few bands in that era (and since) built up a reputation and a following based on their live performances and gig reviews in the “underground” press before they ever signed a recording contract. Chicago were one of them.

You can take back that “Total Bull” comment whenever you’re ready.

No hurry. :p

Grey Area, Id take those “underground” press reviews with a major grain of salt. I used to be a rather religous person, and there was a long time rumor floating around about how Hendrix said that Phil Keaggy (a christian rock guitarist) was the best rock guitarist in the world. It wasnt till Phil himself came out and denied that rumor that it was finally (or partially) put to rest. Scroll down to a little before half this webpage and check out the section that says: The Question: “Who is the best guitarist in the world?”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Keaggy