FHCAM JU-87R-4 Stuka revealed

FHC shared a very nice photo of the the new Stuka propeller that was prepared by Skycraft Services, Ltd., UK.

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Hi Dora9, Yes, I can imagine the Czechs were the last operators of the 211, unless someone knows better? I am surprised if that Hub is new made? There must be quite a few that are usable. Anyway, I guess the Vintage V12 Jumo 211 has run?

V

I read in one discussion that Vintage may begin testing of the 211 this month. I would be curious how long France operated their version of the Jumo 213. The last Nord 1400 seaplane was delivered into service in 1956 and in theory could have operated for a few years, maybe into the 1960s unless they were quickly phased out. [ATTACH=JSON]{“data-align”:”none”,”data-size”:”full”,”title”:”5980714404_67881526d1_b.jpg”,”data-attachmentid”:3859670}[/ATTACH]

Hi Dora9, Yes, I can imagine the Czechs were the last operators of the 211, unless someone knows better? I am surprised if that Hub is new made? There must be quite a few that are usable. Anyway, I guess the Vintage V12 Jumo 211 has run?

V

Yes, good work. The VS11 prop of course uses pressure oil from the CSU/pump to operate blade pitch change. The big difference from say a Hydromatic is that instead of operating a piston and the cam slots to move the blades, the Junkers has a hydraulic operated spur-gear type motor and drive gears in the dome to move the blades. So it is not true to say that there is a pump in the hub, it is a hydraulic motor operating with oil pressure from the CSU/pump on the engine. Also, the Jumo 211 was operated after WW2. Jumo 211 engines powered many legacy aircraft in Europe after the war. Interestingly, one of those types was the Czechoslovakian S199 developed, Jumo 211 powered Bf109G, examples of which fought in the war for Israeli independence in the late 40’s. I would be interested in anyones info about the last Jumo 211 in operation? Cheers

SM

And the Jumo 213s that were manufactured in France and flown in Nord seaplanes into the 1950s, and a few new engines put together with Jumo components. From the video on just the VS11 prop and from the pictures it looks like they had an entirely new prop and hub manufactured or copied from an original. From a quick glance it looks like the IAF last flew the S-199 in 1948 and the Czechoslovakians last flew them in 1957. It seems possible that the planes could have remained in legacy trainer roles after that also.

Yes, good work. The VS11 prop of course uses pressure oil from the CSU/pump to operate blade pitch change. The big difference from say a Hydromatic is that instead of operating a piston and the cam slots to move the blades, the Junkers has a hydraulic operated spur-gear type motor and drive gears in the dome to move the blades. So it is not true to say that there is a pump in the hub, it is a hydraulic motor operating with oil pressure from the CSU/pump on the engine. Also, the Jumo 211 was operated after WW2. Jumo 211 engines powered many legacy aircraft in Europe after the war. Interestingly, one of those types was the Czechoslovakian S199 developed, Jumo 211 powered Bf109G, examples of which fought in the war for Israeli independence in the late 40’s. I would be interested in anyones info about the last Jumo 211 in operation? Cheers

SM

Hi All,
Having a mooch on’t web as you do and found this courtesy of :- http://en-gb.facebook.com/aircorpsaviation/ Enjoy!………….:eagerness:

EDIT: I just finished watching the video (above post) the attention to detail they are giving is just mind boggling, personally I can’t wait to see the FW189 when it’s time comes for releasing a similar video. Well done all…..:cool:

Geoff.

A lot of answers here..
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=379854552741775

There is a big difference between a ground run in a museum and an engine, which is doing it´s job and bringing an aircraft and it´ s crew in the air. Also there are some storys, that some of these engines have been badly damaged or at least seized during those ground runs.

When I worked there for 9 weeks no mention of this, but heres a interesting link with many informative comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAcgUPjb16Q

Didn’t the RAFM Stuka have its engine run at St Athan?

There is no question that Vintage V12 is one of the best, if not the best address if a rare engine has to be restored. There is also no question, that if a Merlin is leaving their workshop in our days, this engine is much more reliable than a new original engine from RR or Packard 75 years ago. The problem will be, that noboby has any experience with the Jumo engines. I am not shure, but the last time a Jumo did his job must be more than 70 years ago. So if you are restoring an old German engine, you are not able to order a new piston, a crankshaft or a complete heads and banks set from a company, which is producing these parts as certified spare parts again. If you see the trouble with the Mercedes 601 and 605 in the last years, even if they have been overhauled by Vintage V12, we can only hope, that these engines will reach a fraction of the reliability of the Merlin engines in some years. Not even speaking about the new engines of the 262. I hope nobody will missunderstand this post. Here in Germany, every friend of the historic aviation, is looking forward to see, what is happening in Seattle within the next years! Sadly, but for obvious reasons, in our country there are not too many people and companys who are willing to keep our, of course not very glorious, history alive.

With the Stuka, He-111 and Ju-88 projects owned by the FHCAM all needing operational Jumo 211’s, it explains why Mike Nixon’s shop has a stockpile of them (Jumo 211 work at that shop has been underway for at least a few years now). Furthermore, I’ve never heard of Mike Nixon’s shop doing engines only for display use.

I believe that the engine is/was done at Vintage V12s in California

The Jumo 211 should not be a reliability issue. It was a workhorse engine for the Luftwaffe and versions powered the Ju87, Ju88, and most He111 throughout the war. However, it does have some different detail engineering to most other V12’s. Even compared to the DB601/605, I would say the Jumo is a more complicated engine. Even the fully automatic oil operated (motor) propeller pitch system is virtually extinct today. I am not aware of any 211 that is run? I guess that whoever is doing this motor / propeller is pretty sharp. I wish them the best with this. 🙂

V

Yes, there are some. My former math teacher, who is still alive, shared some of his memories many years ago. But anyway, this will not help anybody. If you ask a guy in his 90´s about his experiences with a special aircraft, you will be surprised, what he is talking about. In case of the Stuka, I think there will be no bad surprises. If you read the report of Mr. Brown, it will be a very stable and easy to fly aircraft. As long there is nobody behind you, who wants to kill you, it will be a pleasure to fly her. The biggest question will be the reliability of the Jumo.

I wonder if there is anyone still alive with Stuka time?

Of course, it wasn´t a fighter. So Steve Hinton will be a little bit bored when he will fly the JU 87 for the first time within the next three years.

Unless you get it in a tail chase with 16 Spitfires 🙂

They probably don’t want noise complaints… 🙂

I had heard the overpainted idea, that’s great. The lack of siren, less so. It makes sense from an accuracy standpoint but is deeply disappointing to learn.

This Stuka was originally factory painted in a desert finish, then repainted for the Soviet Front. What I think we see here is FHCAMs meticulous attention to detail in reproducing all layers of paint, as originally applied. The Jericho Trumpet will not be fitted as it was not for the Soviet Front. Source: FHCAM via FB.