Finns Want Their Brewster Back From The US Navy

In fact the pilot, Lauri Pekuri, survived and walked back to the Finnish side. 🙂

Made of stern stuff the Finns:D And I can vouch for that having served alongside them as part of the UN force in Cyprus.

Come to think of it, I remember reading that – which explains why the Buffalo is so intact – and must have filed it under “Nah, can’t be right” when I saw that pic.

So how the hell did he avoid getting whatever it was that came through the seat in his kidneys?

Adrian

Certainly glad it wasn’t my backside in the seat, that looks decidedly fatal.

In fact the pilot, Lauri Pekuri, survived and walked back to the Finnish side. 🙂

Anyone else glad that their backside wasn’t in that seat on it’s last flight? 😮

Seriously, though, I think the Buffalo is far more relevant to Finland’s history than anywhere else, so it’s good to see it back.

Adrian

Certainly glad it wasn’t my backside in the seat, that looks decidedly fatal.

http://www.pienoismallit.net/galleria/referenssi_3090/

Anyone else glad that their backside wasn’t in that seat on it’s last flight? 😮

Seriously, though, I think the Buffalo is far more relevant to Finland’s history than anywhere else, so it’s good to see it back.

Adrian

Hmmm.
Much wailing and throwing of toys aside, let’s look at what has actually happened over the years.

Habeus corpus*, or perhaps Habeus Aeroplanus** generally has carried the day in aviation preservation. There’s a lot of movement, but not usually under duress. If you’ve got it, you hang onto it. Trying to work out co-operative collaborative deals is often sucessful. RER, I detect a bit of schadenfreude*** in your post. Maybe some people have something to learn in the USN’s messy problems recently. Kicking them and pointing at the bruises isn’t going to help anybody.

Personally I don’t care WHERE it ends up, as long as it’s looked after and conserved not rebuilt by a national level collection.

Just my personal view.

* Latin, Lit ‘we have the body’ – a basic English legal principle recently subverted, but I digress.
** ‘We have the data plate, get lost’
*** A useful German word (or something like!) for taking pleasure in the misfortune of others.

James without a degree in linguistic analysis your translation of the German is as close as makes no difference. I love that word as it replaces about 7 words of English.

The World’s only Brewster’s visit to Finland
The HQ of the Air Force notifies: The World’s only Brewster’s visit to Finland

Free to be released on 9 o’clock 6th March 2008.

The World’s only Brewster’s visit to Finland

As the Finnish Air Force is now 90 years old the National Naval Aviation Museum has loaned the World’s only Brewster to Aviation Museum of Central Finland for several years. The plane arrived to Finland in previous week and it will be introduced to the preess at the Finnish Air Force Day on Tuesday 6th of March.[…]

http://www.peda.net/veraja/jklmlk/tikkakoski/ilmailu/ajankohtaista

Yeah,
I really hope it get’s back to Finnland. Apart from the money involved, it’s a combat veteran and it belongs there.
If the yanks look hard enough they will get another one together. There must be componenets all over the world. I know of a container of Bufalo scrap that was pulled off a hillside in Oz that was shipped to the states so they should look there too.

Go Suomi! 🙂

TT – a small bet I’d get three languages (not counting ‘Strine’) into one post.

Setter. Bast@rds. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Chiz. Rats.

I’m fettling the CAC dataplate as we speak. Bet’s it’s a ‘D’ too.

Did Melv mention the debts?

Are we O/T yet?

Hmmm.
Much wailing and throwing of toys aside, let’s look at what has actually happened over the years.

Habeus corpus*, or perhaps Habeus Aeroplanus** generally has carried the day in aviation preservation. There’s a lot of movement, but not usually under duress. If you’ve got it, you hang onto it. Trying to work out co-operative collaborative deals is often sucessful. RER, I detect a bit of schadenfreude*** in your post. Maybe some people have something to learn in the USN’s messy problems recently. Kicking them and pointing at the bruises isn’t going to help anybody.

Personally I don’t care WHERE it ends up, as long as it’s looked after and conserved not rebuilt by a national level collection.

Just my personal view.

* Latin, Lit ‘we have the body’ – a basic English legal principle recently subverted, but I digress.
** ‘We have the data plate, get lost’
*** A useful German word (or something like!) for taking pleasure in the misfortune of others.

LOL JDK! 😀 😀 😀 😀

OOOH I love it when you talk foreign…. :p

Hi James on another matter concerning the international movement of rare and endangered aircraft I have just returned from the UK with a vital NA product which was entrusted to me by some people who I met at an airshow who said you were their friend and took me to a pub and fed me beer and gave me the aircraft and said you would be very pleased.

By the way Melve says hello

Regards
John P

Amazingly my response is neatly contained in my previous post Rob. 😉

Now James,

Why would I won’t NHC to get it in this whole thing now come on James you know my on goig battles with NHC to change a certain Draconian policy.

For the record I always thought it was illegally removed from Finnish Lands thats just my opion folks.

RER

Hmmm.
Much wailing and throwing of toys aside, let’s look at what has actually happened over the years.

Habeus corpus*, or perhaps Habeus Aeroplanus** generally has carried the day in aviation preservation. There’s a lot of movement, but not usually under duress. If you’ve got it, you hang onto it. Trying to work out co-operative collaborative deals is often sucessful. RER, I detect a bit of schadenfreude*** in your post. Maybe some people have something to learn in the USN’s messy problems recently. Kicking them and pointing at the bruises isn’t going to help anybody.

Personally I don’t care WHERE it ends up, as long as it’s looked after and conserved not rebuilt by a national level collection.

Just my personal view.

* Latin, Lit ‘we have the body’ – a basic English legal principle recently subverted, but I digress.
** ‘We have the data plate, get lost’
*** A useful German word (or something like!) for taking pleasure in the misfortune of others.

PS For my own peace of mind. I *thought* I read somewhere that a Brewster F2A-1 wasn’t technically a Buffalo. (I think it was in my copy of “IL-2 Sturmovik – Forgotten Battles”). When is a Brewster F2A a Buffalo and when isn’t it?

Rob

I guess an F2A became a Buffalo when exported to UK, in Finland it was known just as a Brewster 239.

Oh, what a circus…

Well Folks,

I was wondering how long it as going to take till either the Finns or the Russians claim ownership. It was the finns who fired the first shot.

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4314

Lordy Lordy it seems that NHC might be in a tad of a fix if the Finns press which I hope they do.

Cheers
RER

Looking at the saga outlined in http://www.warbirdforum.com/bw372.htm I think this could be a mammoth legal action.

PS For my own peace of mind. I *thought* I read somewhere that a Brewster F2A-1 wasn’t technically a Buffalo. (I think it was in my copy of “IL-2 Sturmovik – Forgotten Battles”). When is a Brewster F2A a Buffalo and when isn’t it?

Rob

WHY DO THEY WANT IT ANYWAY!

Just to stick it up thoses pushy NAVY YANK PUKE’S :p .

Have to agree 🙂 , If she can be looked after just as well there in Finland, why not send her back there 😎 , as a good will present from the State’s :rolleyes: , when it’s been restored to static, and looking nice again.

After all, NO ONE ELSE WANTED THE BUFFALO’S, Back then did they 😮 .

Seem’s only fitting to me that she be, where they had there ONLY success’s really! 😉 .

And was well loved, and not despised 🙂

Grendel, I agree with you that the good people of Pensacola certainly take good care of BW-372. But what makes you think it wouldn’t be taken equally good care of in Finland?
AFAIK, US Navy prohibits any wrecks of their old aeroplanes to be surfaced, and thus restored, on the grounds that they are still legal property of USN.
If finally Finnish officials have woken up and realised that a piece of Finnish AF property lies in Pensacola, and want it back to Finland, what is wrong with that?

Most in Finland are ok with the Brewster at Pensacola, even the veterans who flew the Brewsters, as they’re taking good care of it and retain its history.

It belongs to them, that’s it.

It would have been nice to have it here, but it is better to have the BW at Pensacola than having it rusting to pieces in some shady storage.