First UA 757 in new colours

I don’t think those were his intentions, Sandy. He and I had talked about Victorville previously, being that it’s only a stone’s throw from where I live. My mentioning that the Tristar was my favourite bird, he simply suggested I take a drive up there to have a gander at them. At least, that’s what I gathered from that part about the DL birds. THEN he went on about the engines.

Well if thats the case, that is alright.

I apologise to Wrenchbender, no offense intended old chap.

Well, the fact that there are 25-30 year old planes sitting out in the desert is of no fault to the RB21! and its rather unfair to even intimate such.

I don’t think those were his intentions, Sandy. He and I had talked about Victorville previously, being that it’s only a stone’s throw from where I live. My mentioning that the Tristar was my favourite bird, he simply suggested I take a drive up there to have a gander at them. At least, that’s what I gathered from that part about the DL birds. THEN he went on about the engines.

You need to get out to Victorville. There were Ex Delta L-1011’s all over the place. The L-1011 is where I first ran across the RB-211. They were always broke. You had to scramble to get those things turned around. I think ATA is the only operator of those now and only as charter for troops.

Well, the fact that there are 25-30 year old planes sitting out in the desert is of no fault to the RB21! and its rather unfair to even intimate such.

Along along the same tack, there are plenty aircraft with GE and PW engines sitting out in the desert… does that mean they are bad engines aswell?

As for the RB211 on the Tristars… well to be fair, that was the first varient of the engine. Funding wasn’t all it should have been for the development.

Also, it was a tristar that flew for 4 hours with a number 1 engine that had no oil left, an RB 211 if I’m not mistaken 😉

You need to get out to Victorville. There were Ex Delta L-1011’s all over the place. The L-1011 is where I first ran across the RB-211. They were always broke. You had to scramble to get those things turned around. I think ATA is the only operator of those now and only as charter for troops.

I can’t help but suspect Wrenchbender is merely biased to the american product.

Not that any other bias exists in this forum. :rolleyes: I’m not going to speak for the man, and I really do enjoy going at it with both of you guys (Sandy and Matthew) and really do believe you guys are joking around, as I like to do as well. But maybe he’s saying what he is based on real experience that is not waterered down by bias of any sort? As far as I go, I try to ‘keep it real’ and stay as unbiased as I can. I like PW’s, not because they are American, but because of the role they have played in Boeing’s history, amongst other things. I don’t dislike RR’s either. In fact, they are the sole powerplant on (by a huge margin) my favourite airliner of all time, the L-1011. Therefore, it’s impossible for me to dislike them! You never see me engage in any Boeing vs. Airbus debate, either, because I’m a fan of both companies and want to see them both succeed and push each other to make great airplanes. I like Boeing for what they are and I like Airbus for what they are.

Let’s see what airlines have the RR powered 747-400’s. BA, CX, QF, NZ, and South African. That’s not a huge chunk, infact NZ AND QF have GE powered 747-400’s. If the RR RB-211 is such a great engine, why isn’t it offered for the 747-400ER? You can only get a GE engine. But I can tell you this, I sure know the difference in sound of all 3 engines. This is due to the fact that I was a ramper working for a POS company at LAX, I would work in the BA bag room, when we heard those RR enigines we knew the bird was here, sometimes a QF would throw us a curveball.

A huge chunk of 747-400’s do not have them.

I can’t help but suspect Wrenchbender is merely biased to the american product.

If RR are so bad, why is it that 80-90% of all 757s have them, All A340-600’s, a huge chunk of 747-400s, soon the A380 and the 7E7.

RR build reliable engines. Perhaps not the most powefull, but reliable.
I’d like to see a GE engine that runs for 4 hours with an empty oil resevoir as the RB 511 has proven it can do.

The GE90 has been giving BA no end of trouble, hence why they switched to RR Trents for their reamaining 777 orders.
When I call PW watered down hamster wheels, it is merely in jest.

RR are not trash. Neither are GE or PW.

I respect your experience wrenchbender… but I suspect the RR engines you have dealt with were not maintained properly.

Well said Wrenchbender. Your professional, expert insight is always welcome here. 🙂

I like the Boeing 757 when they are not beat to death. And I like the Airbus Also. But RR Are trash engines. GE Engines I would rate as (# 1) Easy to Fix and have alot of power. (#2) PW are very reliable. Bringing up the rear RR and if they didn’t buy Allison I would rate them #4. I have spent many a night working on those RB-211s trying to get them running. The only reason operators like them is because they are cheap. I don’t like the quality of RR products. Also the only reason RR and GE will provide engines for the 7E7 was PW walked away from the deal.

Don’t get me going about RR. They are the bottom of the big 3 engine makers.

Here’s proof to my testimony, Matthew, from a true line mechanic. Well said Wrenchbender. 😎

Don’t get me going about RR. They are the bottom of the big 3 engine makers.

Shame you let yourself down with that last part!

Utterly impossible. Either it’s all correct, or none of it is. I’ll go by your first comment. 😀

You realise I’m only pulling you leg here?

But of course! You guys rule, unlike RR. 😎

Well, they are so lifeless…when you see all the 737’s coming into EDI, just soaring over…then along dcomes a RR-Powered DHL 757 or Air Scotland 757 and you see what a real engine is…feeling it in you chest as she goes by..then you hear the UPS PW powered 757…then it all goes downhill…..

You realise I’m only pulling you leg here?

On behalf of all the subscribers observing this thread, I’d like to say it’s goodun ! :p

Why did Boeing not offer the IAE V2500?

I don’t know, but it’s a good thing they didn’t. Look what happened with the whole “Superfan for the A340” debacle.

CFM’s are crap..put put put putttt

Ok, so now GE has essentially been thrown into the whole “RR rules and everybody else sucks” campaign. I was wondering what took so long. 😉

The A340 -200 & -300 have CFM engines with 38,000 lbs thrust each. That’s a 737 engine powering a big boy like that. What were the (SC)Airbus engine engineers thinking? They weren’t!!

Yes, powered by another company who can’t produce good engines!

CFM not make good engines??? You have no clue! In fact CFM is a huge engine maker. Look at the 737’s all but the -100 & -200 all the rest are CFM engines, look at the DC-8’s most of them are re-engined with CFM’s, KC-135 refuelers in the USAF all have the CFM engines.

I love this aircraft, but it reminds me of a flying cigar. I’ve flown on it, very smooth a/c.

Also, you think an A340 Classic is a supercar?

Of course I don’t! I was just using your terminology.