January 6, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Hi all, I know there have been several threads related to sheet metal working but can anyone please assist with flared lightening holes please? I’m in need of 3,4 and 5″ circular lightening holes and to scratch build some purpose made dies is going to be a massive job to get them right. I know the smaller sizes are readily available but can anyone kindly steer me towards any Engineering firms that are already set up for this type of work please?
Thanks,
By: |RLWP - 8th January 2013 at 09:41
In actual fact, it reduces the propensity to form a crack from the thin cut edge. It reduces the chance of vibrations flexing the original thin flat plate at that point and thus causing fatigue cracks through the vibration. The flange, in effect, does stiffen it to reduce the flexibility.
We are also being very loose with terminology. As the flange is perpendicular to the plane of the platework, it is effectively increasing the thickness of the component and stiffening it around two of the axes at the expense of the third. In fact, as we are into the ‘breadth times depth cubed’ bit of elasticity, you get a huge increase in stiffness around these for not much loss on the other.
Richard
By: suthg - 8th January 2013 at 09:21
In actual fact, it reduces the propensity to form a crack from the thin cut edge. It reduces the chance of vibrations flexing the original thin flat plate at that point and thus causing fatigue cracks through the vibration. The flange, in effect, does stiffen it to reduce the flexibility.
By: |RLWP - 8th January 2013 at 09:21
How does the lightning know how to go through the holes?
Oh, is that my coat?
Richard
:p
By: TempestV - 8th January 2013 at 08:57
A lightening hole definitely lightens a part as you are removing material.
Adding a flange around the hole edge merely stiffens (stabilises) the edge of the hole.
By: Deskpilot - 8th January 2013 at 01:36
Yes because it takes the bit out of the middle and strengthens at the same time!
I would suggest it lightens and stiffens, not strengthens. the strength comes from the flanges around the Spar, rib, what have you.
By: David Burke - 7th January 2013 at 18:38
Yes because it takes the bit out of the middle and strengthens at the same time!
By: BlueRobin - 7th January 2013 at 18:36
Do they actually lighten?
By: FarlamAirframes - 7th January 2013 at 16:17
Just remembered -the Frost one is just the flaring tool – you will need the matching hole cutters.
By: austernj673 - 7th January 2013 at 15:53
Thanks for taking the time to dig the info out chaps. Much appreciated but the cutting tool only does straight edge flares, really after a rounded finish as per British aircraft.
The Frost one looks promising, thanks
By: FarlamAirframes - 7th January 2013 at 15:38
Frost Restoration sell them too:
I have several and they work well.
By: Bruce - 7th January 2013 at 14:06
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/flanging360.php
Worth a look?
By: austernj673 - 7th January 2013 at 13:34
Hi Ken, that would be great if you could, I’m after a 1 3/4″ (2″ would suffice) 4″ and 5″.
Thanks
By: Ken - 7th January 2013 at 13:20
Supermarine aero engineering in Stoke have some large home made ones that I have used a few times, not sure of the exact sizes but up to 6″ from memory. I could ask for you if you let me know the exact sizes
Ken
By: austernj673 - 6th January 2013 at 18:53
Thanks Tony, I’d seen these ones before but I need up to 5″ diameter. Was hoping to avoid making a tool but it seems like the only option.
Much appreciated.
By: pogno - 6th January 2013 at 18:29
If you are not into doing many a male/female pair or forming tools made from wood will suffice, just clamping them in the vice will do if the item being flanged is small, if it bigger then a flypress is needed.
Richard
By: Rocketeer - 6th January 2013 at 18:17
here’s one:
item no.190084073925
and another
230743124926
I buy hole punch and flare them
By: David Burke - 6th January 2013 at 18:15
The dies to make them are not incredibly difficult and would be well within the capability of most toolmakers.
By: bloodnok - 6th January 2013 at 17:53
They’re usually called flanged lightening holes if that helps.
By: austernj673 - 6th January 2013 at 17:45
Thanks chaps, any ideas what they are called? I’ve googled the full works….. Flange, Swage, Flared, Dimples, Dies, Presses but still no luck 😡
By: Bruce - 6th January 2013 at 17:41
You can get a tool which, on one side will cut the hole, and on the other, will flange it.
Bruce