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Flux Capacitor

To run alongside the Perfect Airshow thread how about this for an idea. You have the ability to erase from time as if it never existed an aircraft type, in the same way Marty Mcfly had to go back and stop Biff getting his hands on the sports almanac. Which aircraft would you erase and why?

I’ll begin. When I first started to attend airshows in the early eighties actual historic warbird content was small, even the Shuttleworth used to display my entry. I hated it, when it was announced I hated the words, I hate even the memory of it. My candidate is, the Max Holste Broussard. Ugly boring post war aircraft with nothing going for it. Luckily they seem to have disappeared from the airshow scene, mind you I bet they lurk still, ready to appear. Perhaps you have to say the name out loud three times?

Next aircraft for the flux capacitor please!

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By: TonyT - 6th August 2014 at 09:47

There isn’t much to support the theory that the Stafighter was a ‘death trap’ -plenty of evidence of Luftwaffe examples being lost flying at low altitude often in poor weather in Europe but when compared to the loss rate of other types it didn’t compare unfavourably !

I still remember what they used to say in the RAF.

Want a Starfighter? buy a field in Germany and sooner or later one will drop into it.

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By: Bager1968 - 6th August 2014 at 05:42

Wonder what it would have been like if re engine with the Griffon? with nearly twice the horsepower it may have been viable.

And not available until 1944.

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By: Bager1968 - 6th August 2014 at 05:41

Mr Cresote -do you think it would be worth travelling back and rather than taking away – drop a sketch of the Hawker ‘Sea Hunter’ on someone’s desk instead of the Scimitar??

You mean the Hawker P.1081 with an Avon instead of the Tay?

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By: David Burke - 6th August 2014 at 00:30

Mr Cresote -do you think it would be worth travelling back and rather than taking away – drop a sketch of the Hawker ‘Sea Hunter’ on someone’s desk instead of the Scimitar??

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By: mike currill - 5th August 2014 at 23:15

So if the Scimitar was over complicated what does that make the Buccaneer with its blown flaps and all sorts of other complicated ideas?

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By: Mr Creosote - 5th August 2014 at 23:01

Always had a downer on the Supermarine Scimitar. Seemed to take forever to evolve from the Type 508, it had a very modest production run (who else would ever buy it?) many said it was over-complicated, difficult to maintain, over half those built were lost in accidents, and at the end of the day it was a pretty mediocre performer. Can’t help thinking the RN would have been better off with an off-the-shelf USN type.

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By: sCOTT bROOKES - 5th August 2014 at 21:57

Boeing Stearman…… Because wing walking is sooooo boring to watch :sleeping:

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By: hampden98 - 5th August 2014 at 21:41

The 60’s Labour govt surely.

It quite well could be, and don’t call me Shirley!

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By: David Burke - 5th August 2014 at 21:20

There isn’t much to support the theory that the Stafighter was a ‘death trap’ -plenty of evidence of Luftwaffe examples being lost flying at low altitude often in poor weather in Europe but when compared to the loss rate of other types it didn’t compare unfavourably !

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By: Supermarine305 - 5th August 2014 at 21:07

The 60’s Labour govt surely. And while we are at it I’d erase Eden’s Conservative government to kill off the ’57 Defense White Paper. Just for the sake of balance.

But if I have to stick to aircraft. The Lockheed 104 Starfighter. Sure it was fast. But so were a lot of other aircraft, which could also do turns. It was a death trap and was pushed on various air forces through bribery.

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By: 1batfastard - 5th August 2014 at 21:04

Hi All,
I would second what TontT,Bager168 and hampden98 have put.
F-35 – White Elephant waste of money/F-111 – TSR-2 Would definitely have got the go ahead and The Labour government so much promise for the working person never actually realised while at the same time slaughtering our aviation industry. One other thing I would do is advise the Air ministry to take notice of Frank Whittle and his Idea for the Jet engine also a note to Westlands the whirlwind fighter needs merlin’s and a note to RR produce more merlin’s and forget the vulture.

Geoff. :stupid:

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By: hampden98 - 5th August 2014 at 20:49

I would erase the Comet then, maybe the Americans would have lead the airliner jet race, discovered metal fatigue,
lost a few over the Atlantic and maybe, just maybe we would all be flying in British Airliners!
Alternatively I would erase the Labour Government of the 50’s and give the TSR2 a chance.

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By: Tin Triangle - 5th August 2014 at 18:22

I think I’d use my flux capacitor to go back and preserve a few “lost” types for posterity. Short Empire flying boats, Whitleys, He177, Fairey Fox, Mitsubishi G3m, Do.X, Felixstowe F.5, Miles Marathon, stuff like that.

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By: JagRigger - 5th August 2014 at 17:38

Avro Tudor ? Then Chadwick might not have met such an untimely end.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 5th August 2014 at 16:46

The Wright Flyer. Powered flight would still have happened and possibly with more credit given to those aviation pioneers who wern’t the Wright Brothers.

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By: spitfireman - 5th August 2014 at 16:12

AEW Gannet…..hit every branch on the ugly tree on the way down and actually makes the Fleet Shadower look beautiful.

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By: One of the Few - 5th August 2014 at 15:06

I definitely agree with Denis. I would erase the dreadful Fairey Battle from existence. The RAF could then have used the much more capable and sadly wasted Hawker Henley light bomber.

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By: stangman - 5th August 2014 at 11:29

Spitfire then when you went on to the forum you wouldn’t have to scroll though hundreds pf pictures of the same aircraft to get to the good stuff!………….oh! oh! i may have poked the beast…………Run!!!!!

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By: TonyT - 5th August 2014 at 09:58

Buchon. It’s not a Messerschmitt. But it is a mess. And maybe then we could avoid the half-ar**d ‘combat’ sequences that necessarily show the public what a low-G and stately affair a dogfight was. Controversial, I know..

And what would they have made the film the Battle of Britain with…. German P-51’s? ohh wait, that’s what Hollywood would do. 😀 we’d use Piston Provosts or the like :highly_amused:

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By: stuart gowans - 5th August 2014 at 09:51

Buchon. It’s not a Messerschmitt. But it is a mess. And maybe then we could avoid the half-ar**d ‘combat’ sequences that necessarily show the public what a low-G and stately affair a dogfight was. Controversial, I know..

Harsh…..it might have been a better combat A/C than the original!

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