Taken off Pprune which in turn was taken from the Travel Trade Gazette..
Note the mistake ;).
Friday, August 11, 2006
Scottish no-frills airline Flyglobespan is to launch a daily service from Glasgow to Boston, and is looking for code-share partners to spread its reach further into the US.
Flyglobespan will start the service on May 28 next year, offering business, premium economy and no-frills seats.
Flights will depart Glasgow at 11.00, arriving in Boston at lunchtime. The return flight will leave Boston at about 18.00, arriving in Glasgow at 07.00. The carrier will use a Boeing 737-800.
The service will carry about 255 people, with 40-50 seats in premium economy.
Passengers choosing not to order a meal can opt to go “no-frills”. Seat pitches will range from 30 inches to 50 inches for sleeper seats.
The move comes at a time when some North American airlines have been cutting transatlantic links to Scotland.
Tom Dalrymple, chairman, managing director and owner of Flyglobespan parent Globespan Group, is billing the Boston route as the first significant attempt to run a no-frills transatlantic service since Sir Freddie Laker’s Skytrain in the 1970s.
He added that the airline was open to code-share deals with other airlines ahead of any resolution to US-UK talks on flying restrictions. Dalrymple said he expected those discussions to conclude by the end of next year.
Talking about the Boston route, he said: “That aircraft could go onwards, and [any] new open skies arrangements will allow us to fly further.
“Interesting code-shares are something we will be seeking to get our passengers onwards into the depths of the US, and also to widen the distribution of product within the US coming into Scotland.”
Fantastic news for Glasgow! GSM really are going for the long haul market at the moment.
By: rdc1000 - 15th August 2006 at 11:02
I’ll drop you a PM and explain how I know that they’re launching with a 737-800.
I assume you got the PM Gkirk? As you see, I am pretty reliably informed that it will be a 737-800. 😀
By: rdc1000 - 13th August 2006 at 17:31
And I can confirm that you are speaking a load of rubbish 😀
The route is to be operated using a Boeing 767-300ER.
GSM will have 2 x 763s at GLA, and 1 at MAN.
I’ll drop you a PM and explain how I know that they’re launching with a 737-800.
By: GAZGLA - 13th August 2006 at 16:52
He’s saying that he doesn’t think a B737 will be used on the route even though it technically would be possible to do.
🙂
Gaz
By: Oasis747 - 13th August 2006 at 16:23
Oh i see thanks for telling me!!!:):):)
By: Future Pilot - 13th August 2006 at 16:19
No offence but that doesnt make sence :confused: :confused: :confused:
Or does and i just cant see it does!!!
He’s saying that he doesn’t think a B737 will be used on the route even though it technically would be possible to do.
By: Oasis747 - 13th August 2006 at 16:14
I don’t think the 737 will fly the route, but I think it can.
No offence but that doesnt make sence :confused: :confused: :confused:
Or does and i just cant see it does!!!
By: GAZGLA - 13th August 2006 at 15:55
757 maybe, but a 738 would drop into the water just short of the USA
Boeing.com Maximum Range 3,060 nautical miles (5665 km)
Great Circle Mapper
From To Distance
GLA (55°52’19″N 04°25’59″W) BOS (42°21’52″N 71°00’19″W) 4876 km
Time
5:51
That is with a 120 min ETOPS route. Bearing in mind GSM’s 738’s have winglets, I think it could quite easily make GLA-BOS, obviously wind dependant. GSM did GLA-HRG last year which was also a 5 hour + flight.
I don’t think the 737 will fly the route, but I think it can.
Gaz
By: LBARULES - 13th August 2006 at 15:41
I can’t see how a flight like this with up to 50″ seat pitch premium seats like the article suggests, could be viable with a 737 or 757. There will be very little space for economy seats. I am still firmly putting my money on a 767.
By: Oasis747 - 13th August 2006 at 15:34
Im with BMI-STAR on this one. I dont think that they will fill it either. If i had to put my money on any of the aircraft that we seem to be stating it would be i would say that they would fly it on a 757!!! As GKIRK said “a 738 would drop into the water just short of the USA”
By: GKirk - 13th August 2006 at 13:18
767!? Why?? Somehow i don’t see the need for one on the GLA-BOS route, 757 or 738 looks much more reasonable
They won’t fill a daily 767, if there is on onward connections at BOS!
757 maybe, but a 738 would drop into the water just short of the USA
By: GAZGLA - 13th August 2006 at 11:54
767!? Why?? Somehow i don’t see the need for one on the GLA-BOS route, 757 or 738 looks much more reasonable
They won’t fill a daily 767, if there is on onward connections at BOS!
I think they will be relying on the fact that if the price is right then many people will decide to fly to the destination. Just look at FR, a lot of the places they fly to you will never have heard of, but as the price is low enough people fly there.
Again they are taking a risk in offering it daily, but the same goes for SFB (fair enough its a lot more popular for holiday makers than BOS) but they managed to achieve 87% loads on GLA-SFB-GLA in July which I think is quite remarkable.
So if they can get a partnership with say JetBlue then I think the route could be made to work. Especially if B6 do some good advertising at their end.
Gaz
By: bmi-star - 13th August 2006 at 11:12
And I can confirm that you are speaking a load of rubbish 😀
The route is to be operated using a Boeing 767-300ER.
GSM will have 2 x 763s at GLA, and 1 at MAN.
767!? Why?? Somehow i don’t see the need for one on the GLA-BOS route, 757 or 738 looks much more reasonable
They won’t fill a daily 767, if there is on onward connections at BOS!
By: GKirk - 13th August 2006 at 11:02
Using my sourced knowledge I can confirm it is a 738 that they’re launching with!
And I can confirm that you are speaking a load of rubbish 😀
The route is to be operated using a Boeing 767-300ER.
GSM will have 2 x 763s at GLA, and 1 at MAN.
By: philgatwick05 - 12th August 2006 at 22:25
Ah yes but a simple typo can turn 155 into 255… 155 would be more realistic. Whereas it would be a pretty big typo to turn what should have read B767-300 into B737-800. 😉 However, knowing journalists when it comes to aviation stories I wouldn’t be surprised if both seating capcity and aircraft type were wrong….!
😀 😀 Getting their facts right has never been a priority for many journalists!!
By: RIPConcorde - 12th August 2006 at 21:57
Whether or not a 737-800 will make it or not, the article says that the service will carry about 225 people, and as LBARULES has already pointed out – that’s just not possible:D
Not even the charters could cram that many seats in 😀
Ah yes but a simple typo can turn 155 into 255… 155 would be more realistic. Whereas it would be a pretty big typo to turn what should have read B767-300 into B737-800. 😉 However, knowing journalists when it comes to aviation stories I wouldn’t be surprised if both seating capcity and aircraft type were wrong….!
By: Oasis747 - 12th August 2006 at 20:49
Okay Im not going to argue but it would be good if they did it with a 737
By: philgatwick05 - 12th August 2006 at 20:33
The 737-900ER would make it and carry 215 pax according to the boeing website.
That’s in an all Y class config, though – with no premium seats.
And bear in mind that the manufacturers will like to ‘ham up’ the range of the aircraft, i.e. quote the airframe’s maximum possible range instead of the standard range with a full load + freight etc.
By: Oasis747 - 12th August 2006 at 20:06
The 737-900ER would make it and carry 215 pax according to the boeing website.
By: philgatwick05 - 12th August 2006 at 20:00
Whether or not a 737-800 will make it or not, the article says that the service will carry about 225 people, and as LBARULES has already pointed out – that’s just not possible:D
Not even the charters could cram that many seats in 😀
By: Oasis747 - 12th August 2006 at 19:41
Surely the 738 with winglets can make???
What’s the range on them if not???
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