Flying Aces of the 2nd world war

I will…thanks for the advice.

Daddy flew these; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEKkVg9NqGM

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:eagerness:Go to a flying school ,tell them you’ve done 300 flying hours in MS FSX and you want to go solo in one of their planes 🙂

Can you adjust it to make it easy,hard,novice,can you adjust your joystick set up via sliders,do you get killed if you crash it —–no ,it’s a computer game.

You have to fly it with 100% realism set on to make it a simulator sure.

That was a very good notion. :eagerness:

You never get killed in a simulator….that is why they are there.

I have logged 300 flying hours in MS FSX since May 2015.

Can you adjust it to make it easy,hard,novice,can you adjust your joystick set up via sliders,do you get killed if you crash it —–no ,it’s a computer game.

Yes, well… I fly for a living, and have not flown as many hours since May. Next thing that is going to happen is that topspeed will start showing “drawings” of his “record aircraft” tha he has “designed”. In Finland this has always finally lead to banning him from the forum. I suppose this thread actually started as discussion of possible overclaims by aces, or something…

Those days of me showing my designs are over. After EADS copied my twin AC idea for their electric test plane I haven’t shown any of my designs to anyone but investors against NDA agreement…some composite developements on my blog.

I sold my last design ( developed from Hippiäinen ) to France in 2014…it is now displayed in the Homebuilt Airplanes site at the “flying motorcycle” / ” motorcycle of the air ” thread.

I have a superb car design too. No funding thou. Moose hit resistent with 1000 km range…with electrics.

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Back to topic;

Chuck Yaeger shot down 5 planes too; http://www.chuckyeager.com/five-victory-me-109-report

Like did Viktor Pyötsiä in Winter War. No make it Jorma Sarvanto with 6 kills; http://www.acestory.elknet.pl/sarvan/sarvan.htm

Hans Wind biggest score on one flight was 2 x Il-2 + 2 X LA-5 on June 23. 1944.

I have logged 300 flying hours in MS FSX since May 2015. I am a modelling kinda aviator…making my own record aircraft and flying like the Wright brothers did..towards the unknown with rock solid innovation. I just made 12 hrs day making a model of my innovative high altitude “homebuilt”.

Yes, well… I fly for a living, and have not flown as many hours since May. Next thing that is going to happen is that topspeed will start showing “drawings” of his “record aircraft” tha he has “designed”. In Finland this has always finally lead to banning him from the forum. I suppose this thread actually started as discussion of possible overclaims by aces, or something…

It’s a computer game

No it is a flight simulator. IL-2 is a computer game.

I have logged 300 flying hours in MS FSX since May 2015. I am a modelling kinda aviator…making my own record aircraft and flying like the Wright brothers did..towards the unknown with rock solid innovation. I made 12 hrs day making a model of my innovative high altitude “homebuilt”.

It’s a computer game

Go and ask a warbird owner if you can have a go in his plane with these qualifications 🙂 Now had YOU had 100 hours jet time and 50 hours in a sail plane it would be a start.
But this is digressing from the topic which i believe was to do with flying aces and how accurate the claims / kills were.

I have logged 300 flying hours in MS FSX since May 2015. I am a modelling kinda aviator…making my own record aircraft and flying like the Wright brothers did..towards the unknown with rock solid innovation. I just made 12 hrs day making a model of my innovative high altitude “homebuilt”.

Favourite story that my daddy tells every now and then is about about a young boy in the airfield during the war who has just gotten his army gear on and taken few lessons with a biplane ( possibly few with a low wing monoplane too ) and a fighter jockey steers his Curtiss Hawk to the hanger and tells this dude that this plane has to be flown to the other airfield ASAP ( a ferry flite ). Young recruit salutes the guy and flies the craft to the destination with no questions asked. This is a true story.

Fact is that your relatives, your live meeting with some aces or infantrymen, even if they are real, do not qualify you as an expert on aviation history. Neither do my about 20000 flying hours, but then again I don’t pretend to be one. I am just very interested in the subject, and have studied it a little bit over the years. I do not have an agenda, don’t want to belittle achievements of the heroic airmen of Finnish or other air forces during the war(s). I am just saying that there probably is as much exaggeration in the victory claims in Finland as there is elsewhere, and there were things that people saw, and “saw”. Also there are stories that have gotten better over the years, and some that have never been true at all.

The biggest “dick” I have ever met in real life on a golf course ( Ringside Golf Espoo ) was 24 000 flying hour air line pilot…drunk as a cuckoo and no manners. But this does not always apply. I have a very good friend with 17 000 flying hrs whose daddy was a fighter jockey. I kinda respect him a lot. He also respects others.

Point here is that Karhila only in his memoirs told about this incident…and he did not overclaim. He was also not credited for it.

Are you saying ½ hour annual flying time in a real aeroplane is not enough ?

I don’t see much difference in flying a simulation, model or real aeroplane…am I in minority ?

My daddy has 100 hrs jet time and 50 hrs in sailplanes…and he had sail plane pilot papers.

Go and ask a warbird owner if you can have a go in his plane with these qualifications 🙂 Now had YOU had 100 hours jet time and 50 hours in a sail plane it would be a start.
But this is digressing from the topic which i believe was to do with flying aces and how accurate the claims / kills were.

Fact is that your relatives, your live meeting with some aces or infantrymen, even if they are real, do not qualify you as an expert on aviation history. Neither do my about 20000 flying hours, but then again I don’t pretend to be one. I am just very interested in the subject, and have studied it a little bit over the years. I do not have an agenda, don’t want to belittle achievements of the heroic airmen of Finnish or other air forces during the war(s). I am just saying that there probably is as much exaggeration in the victory claims in Finland as there is elsewhere, and there were things that people saw, and “saw”. Also there are stories that have gotten better over the years, and some that have never been true at all.

EERRRRR No i don’t think so.

Are you saying ½ hour annual flying time in a real aeroplane is not enough ?

I don’t see much difference in flying a simulation, model or real aeroplane…am I in minority ?

My daddy has 100 hrs jet time and 50 hrs in sailplanes…and he had sail plane pilot papers.

I have flown around 300 hrs with 180 aircraft types in flight simulator ( also 2200 landings and take offs ) and built several radio controlled models ( also 50 drones for the AAA )…does it count ? .

EERRRRR No i don’t think so.

http://acesofww2.com/Canada/aces/Audet.htm

I just added at another site where similar discussion is being discussed this following.

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There is only one incident where the witness said the pilot scored more planes that he actually claimed. That was on July 2nd 1944 in battle of Ihantala 5 or 6 IL-2 kills by Lieutenant Kyösti ” Kössi ” Karhila.

Witness on the ground said Kössi shot 6 IL-2s and Kössi himself claimed just 5.

Official records from Russia don’t ( totally ) object the possibility that Kössi actually shot 6.

Kössi was officially credited with…zero kills.

I rest my case, see above. No sense to continue this “discussion”,

I am sorry putting so much effort to bring out the model builder/ace Kössi Karhila, but if his 6 kills on one mission is true, then he is an extraordinary fighter pilot.

Extraordinary was also Lidia Litvyak as she was a female ace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Litvyak

Her plane YAK-1B can also be found in the MS FSX.

Sorry for being so jumpy before.

Here is what I found about the July 2nd 1944 attack by 36 IL-2s…..beautiful research done by C-F Geust with help of the russians.

Evening, Lappeenranta attack
281 ShAD, 448 ShAP:
lt V.A. Gusakov KIA, jefr S.F. Lavrishko KIA, Il-2 c/n 303812, shot down by A-A, crashed 2 km S Lappeenranta.
ml.lt V.V. Semyshkin KIA, jefr F.R. Iljnitskiy KIA, Il-2 c/n 10485, shot down in air combat, crashed 15 km S Lappeenranta.
ml.lt V.I. Lapshin DOW, ser F.A.Stolyarov WIA, Il-2 c/n 303178, shot down in air combat crashed S Viipuri.
ml.lt E.G. Sannikov OK, jefr F.K.Nemykin DOW, Il-2 c/n 9622, hits in air combat 6 km S Viipuri, belly landing near Tainionsuo.
ml.lt V.N. Suhorukov WIA, star N.H. Yeloyev OK, Il-2 c/n 3608, hits in air combat, forced landing at Maksalahti. Aircraft to depot (rembaza) for repairs.
lt M.D. Nikishin OK, V. Batizada OK, Il-2 made forced landing between front lines (“no man´s land”) after hits in air combat. Note: Nikishin HSU 23.2.1945.

281 ShAD, 703 ShAP:
lt Sharov OK, Ivanov OK, Il-2 made belly landing after hits in air combat; to depot (rembaza) for repairs.

281 ShAD, 872 ShAP:
ml.lt V.V. Sokolov WIA, ml.ser I.S. Batrushin WIA, Il-2 c/n 304804, crash-landed near own base after hits in air combat at Kolkkala.
lt P.S. Glazkov WIA, ml.lt N.M. Lonchakov KIA, Il-2 c/n 10530, crash-landed SE Viipuri after hits in air combat.

Thus 10 Il-2s were lost or seriously damaged in air combat or by A-A at Immola and Lappeenranta, and apparently claimed by the Finnish fighter pilots. It is of course extremely difficult – or impossible – to determine “who shot down whom” with 100 % reliability, and it is also a question of judgment whether a crash-landed aircraft with lightly or seriously wounded crew is considered “shot down”…

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I apologize. That data is from another site where it was discussed. It is 2 years old.

Below Kössi in his ride.

For those of us interested in the affairs of the valiant Finns that is a shame. It was getting interesting !

Why is it a shame ? And what difference does it make even if I had lepracy and only time I flew was out of the restaurant at 02:00 AM ?

I am really an air force officer in reserve…as was my dad in active service…neither were pilots. Both did try to get into the AF pilot training…I was too tall and my dad was too blind ( not really but test results said so ). One friend of mine whose father was a Mannerheim cross holder ( as was my daddy’s uncle ) told me a story about his brother who did not get into AF…as he was too tall too…until he got a sertificate from a civilian doctor to say that he was actually almost too short to be a pilot. He later test flew the VALMET Vihuri trainer in the fifties.

I have flown around 300 hrs with 180 aircraft types in flight simulator ( also 2200 landings and take offs ) and built several radio controlled models ( also 50 drones for the AAA )…does it count ? Last summer I logged only ½ hr real air time in a Cessna 172 ( plane me and pilot choose not to fly due to excess amount of water in the fuel tanks made forced landing later last summer on a road in Oulu ). One of my designs was published in US modelling magazine as a center fold. Also all finnish model aviation mags have published my modelling stories around 25 years ago, but still. Last one was in 2004 ( I made an unlimited racer design and test flew it too ). I have flown 150 flights of R/C Me-109 Gs and around 50 with P-51D…and to me the flight dynamics are very similar with what I am experiencing in flight simulator ( what ever this is worth ).

I am very happy Finny for your extreme experience in flying aeroplanes…really. I grew up in an airforce academy area and my grand daddy had sold his farm lands to have the installation ( which now works as a refugee camp ) in 1928.

I also have a great respect for F-C Geust who actually has been on one other site where this case was discussed…and all the russian/soviet losses have been accounted for. There is a fair concensus that this IL-2 shooting really happened ( in my opinion ).

I am not going to continue this fruitless discussion with “topspeed”. Reading the above you will understand why he is banned from every Finnish aviation discussion forum, except the one gliding site, obvioously. And, to make it clear, he may have done his mandatory military service in the Air Force, but he is not a pilot, and never has been one. I am, for whatever it is worth. And I was not referring to the Il-2 case before, just in general terms…

I am very happy for this decision, cause I would not have had any more energy to carry on.

Happy landings !

BTW: Here is “my” Fokker D-XXI in Wredeby…where I assume you fly your Tuulia RF-4D. In case you are the same person who harrasses me on all the finnish sites.