… and that would be YOUR side… 😀 (since it seems like most of you fellas reside in Europe).
I am a student pilot in the US (going for my PPL) and I am very curious (and very un-knowledgeable) of how it is to fly on the other side of the Atlantic (which is a quite curious predicament, since I come from Europe).
Basically, what I would like to know (from some of you more experienced and travelled folks) is if there are any significant differences between flying within the US and flying over the skys in Europe.
Would my PPL be valid anywhere in Europe? (Inquiring about my home country, Italy, I recevied a quite short and curt “NO!”)
Would I be able to rent and fly a plane in Europe? The UK for example?
My instruction books claim the the “alphabet” (Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, etc.) work the same all over the world. A Bravo airspace in the US will look and work very similarly to a Bravo airspace in France… then again, the books didn’t delve into it (and I barely can keep up with the bombardement of information I am being subjected to as of now, so I didn’t really do much research on that field).
Are airspaces any different over there compared to over here? (you know, VFR restrictions, altitudes, equipment requirements … etc.).
Did any of you fly private airplanes in Europe AND in the US? I heard of a British guy that flew his experimental to Oshkosh this year … across the atlantic 😎
By: Mark9 - 13th October 2003 at 13:34
Just avoid Serbia, wedding guests firing guns in the air brought down a small plane in central Serbia, badly injuring the pilot and passenger:eek: 😉 😀 Anna
By: Arabella-Cox - 7th October 2003 at 12:01
Only if you obtain a JAA PPL, which is what I’m working towards now.
The old FAA and CAA PPL’s still exist, but you can only fully exercise the priveleges of each either within the state of licence issue, or while flying aircraft registered in the same state. I didn’t have to convert my FAA to a CAA, because at the time there was a reciprocal agreement between the two bodies which allowed an FAA PPL holder to fly G registered aircraft in the UK, but not to take them outside of the UK. I was also subject to FAA PPL revalidation criteria, which was why it evetually lapsed; I couldn’t find anyone here in the UK who could do the revalidation for me, and having just bought a house I couldn’t afford to fly to the States to do it. So on reflection, it would have been more effective for me to do a CAA licence in the first place. :rolleyes:
By: futurshox - 7th October 2003 at 09:38
Originally posted by SteveYoung
Joint Aviation Administration.In the old days, we had the CAA (UK Civil Aviation Authority) and the FAA (US Federal Aviation Administration). Well, we’ve still got them, but there’s also now this joint authority which acts as an overall body. An aircraft and pilot licenced in one JAA member state can operate in another member state. It’s much the same type of agreement that the CAA and FAA had ten years ago, but more widespread.
Hope that helps.
Okay, so as I understood it, if you got an FAA license in the US, you had to ‘uprate’ it to a CAA license before you could fly in the UK. I thought that was why there’s all those flight schools in Florida that churn out CAA licenses to UK pilots – i.e. they get the cheap flight training *and* a licence they can use.
Is that all changed now with the JAA?
By: Marco - 7th October 2003 at 01:09
Originally posted by SteveYoung
Joint Aviation Administration.In the old days, we had the CAA (UK Civil Aviation Authority) and the FAA (US Federal Aviation Administration). Well, we’ve still got them, but there’s also now this joint authority which acts as an overall body. An aircraft and pilot licenced in one JAA member state can operate in another member state. It’s much the same type of agreement that the CAA and FAA had ten years ago, but more widespread.
Hope that helps.
yes it does.
Thanks much!
By: Arabella-Cox - 7th October 2003 at 00:33
Joint Aviation Administration.
In the old days, we had the CAA (UK Civil Aviation Authority) and the FAA (US Federal Aviation Administration). Well, we’ve still got them, but there’s also now this joint authority which acts as an overall body. An aircraft and pilot licenced in one JAA member state can operate in another member state. It’s much the same type of agreement that the CAA and FAA had ten years ago, but more widespread.
Hope that helps.
By: Marco - 6th October 2003 at 23:29
Forgive my utter ignorance but what is “JAA”?
I have seen it mentioned countless times in other European Aviation forums … but never quite understood what it is…
Thanks for your help!
By: Arabella-Cox - 6th October 2003 at 23:14
I’m not THAT British guy who flew an experimental into Oshkosh, but I did fly into OSH on my qualifying cross country. 😀
Thing was, that was back in 93, when I did my FAA PPL out in Chicago. The rules in place at the time allowed me to get an FAA PPL, and then return to the UK and fly G registered aircraft on it, as long as I didn’t take them out of the UK. So no little trips to Le Touquet. Unless I hired an N registered aircraft, in which case, as an American licence holder, I could take it absolutely anywhere.
Unfortunately the rules are different now, but I’m not entirely sure how it stands for your situation. My guess is that if you’re working towards a JAA PPL, it should be valid in all the European JAA member states. But that’s just a guess, sorry.
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