Thought I’d start this thread as discussion about the Fokker Dr.1 is distracting another thread.
No doubt this thread will be dominated by the landing incident but it would be nice to discuss the aircraft and display also. 😉
By: patb - 7th February 2012 at 22:08
That last paragraph is really strangely worded IMHO.
It is my understanding that these reports are there to deal with the facts of the case. It is of no consequence that some onlookers thought that it seemed to take a long time. And procedures should not be changed in response to the perceptions of third parties.
Surely, the key point is how did it actually take? Is that acceptable? If not, what caused the delay and how can this be addressed in future.
By: trumper - 7th February 2012 at 15:24
Easy to criticise when you don’t have to do it yourself or know zip about it…..
No one is criticising the fire crews at all ,it’s the planning side of things that has been admitted wasn’t as good as it should’ve been that has been bought to mind.
2 mins is a long time if you are strapped into a burning plane or another life threatening situation,thankfully it didn’t happen.
Good lesson learnt.
By: Ewan Hoozarmy - 7th February 2012 at 10:48
2 mins is the required attendance time for Fire Appliances on a Licensed aerodrome, which Duxford is. I was there, saw all the incidents at close hand and thought in the circumstances, with aircraft all over the taxiways and on the manoeuvring area, the RFF guys did exactly what they were there to do. Remember the 2 minute requirement is for an incident ON airfield within the airfield boundary.
The P51 incident was OFF airfield and the fire crews did what they should have done and made their way to the crash location in the most expeditious way. Short of using a teleporting machine from Star Trek, they did what they could do in the circumstances, which considering they were relying on directions from an American pilot in another P51, was pretty good.
Easy to criticise when you don’t have to do it yourself or know zip about it…..
PS No connection to Duxford Fire team at all
By: Creaking Door - 7th February 2012 at 09:35
The report is pretty circumspect in its judgement of that:
“In response to concerns, from onlookers and other pilots, that the airfield emergency vehicles seemed to take a long time to attend the scene…”
Personally I don’t think the emergency vehicles did take ‘a long time’ to reach the scene but I’ll admit for those watching (and I was watching) it may have seemed too long. While the organisers have admitted to some confusion over clearance for emergency vehicles to move onto live taxiways, despite that, I think the first emergency vehicle was on scene in about two minutes which, whilst there is always room for improvement, wasn’t bad at all.
By: paul178 - 7th February 2012 at 09:29
Just as importantly if not more importantly is the last paragraph dealing with the delays getting the rescue appliances to him which which people on this and other forums commented on.
Yes I was one of the people that commented on that.
In response to concerns, from onlookers and other pilots, that the airfield emergency vehicles seemed to take a long time to attend the scene, the display organisers and the airfield management found that there had been some uncertainty over clearance to enter the aircraft manoeuvring areas. The procedures have now been changed to require immediate suspension of aircraft activity on the ground (and holding of airborne aircraft) in the event of a similar incident in order that emergency vehicles can be certain that they will not conflict with flying operations.
Hardly a ringing endorsement of procedures in place at the time!
By: trumper - 7th February 2012 at 08:59
Just as importantly if not more importantly is the last paragraph dealing with the delays getting the rescue appliances to him which which people on this and other forums commented on.
Is there any news on the current situation regarding the repairs to the aircraft,TA?
By: Propstrike - 6th February 2012 at 23:37
Report now released by AAIB.
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Fokker%20DR1%20(Replica)%20SE-XXZ%2001-12.pdf
”The replica WWI fighter had landed after a display, when
the pilot lost control during the ground roll. He stated
that this was due to the propeller wash from a Hawker
Sea Fury starting up as he passed behind it.”
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