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For the kerosine folks

I know there are Lightings/Vulcans etc. doing fast taxi runs in the UK. I would be very thankful if some of you guys could give me some directions as to how you do it insurance wise. Reason I’m asking, is that I would like to see something along those lines happen in Iceland, but insurance is proving to be a bit of a bugger with the ICAA. Any pointers?

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By: JetBlast - 21st September 2005 at 10:00

Sooo, If the CAA aren’t bothered, and you are not on the public highway, any idiot can spark up a Lightning or a Vulcan and hare about a Private airfield?

The CAA may not be too bothered but I have it on very good authority that the MOD are monitoring everyone very closely.

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By: 320psi - 21st September 2005 at 09:05

Sooo, If the CAA aren’t bothered, and you are not on the public highway, any idiot can spark up a Lightning or a Vulcan and hare about a Private airfield?

Lightning Racing at Santa pod anyone?

Basicly yes ‘but’ and its a big ‘but’ if you involve the paying public or for that matter any visitor to the site while we are doing our stuff either fast taxing or just static running which has its risks as well we would be pretty daft not to insure ourselves against god forbid the awful event of an accident, we as owners would be liable, and we all have homes and families to think about.
Now if you as an indiviual wanted to fast taxy a Lightning for instance with not a soul around then thats your risk and if your on private land you could do what you wanted, but as we all know running jets or anything for that matter you will always need others around you to support what you are doing.

And to finish the 1/4 mile at santa pod wouldnt be long enough, it would be buner in then out and brakes and chute very quickly.

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By: JetBlast - 21st September 2005 at 09:05

I’ve had higher quotes for motorcycle policies..

The quote was for Public liability only, what made things seem expensive was the fact that she was never run up during the duration of her insurance!! 😮
Most,if not all of the funding came from my own back pocket, looking back on it, it was a bad bit of managment, but we live and learn.

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By: wessex boy - 21st September 2005 at 08:53

The CAA, I believe, look on ground running/fast taxi run aircraft as Jet Dragsters. 😮 😮

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Sooo, If the CAA aren’t bothered, and you are not on the public highway, any idiot can spark up a Lightning or a Vulcan and hare about a Private airfield?

Lightning Racing at Santa pod anyone?

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By: 320psi - 21st September 2005 at 08:42

I know there are Lightings/Vulcans etc. doing fast taxi runs in the UK. I would be very thankful if some of you guys could give me some directions as to how you do it insurance wise. Reason I’m asking, is that I would like to see something along those lines happen in Iceland, but insurance is proving to be a bit of a bugger with the ICAA. Any pointers?

Just thought I would give you an idea of what we the LPG (10 humble members) pay per year for insurance, we have both airframes insured against loss which is part of our thrid party liablitiy insurance which covers us for a £5million claim which comes in at £3000 per year so when we have 3 open days a year which we didnt this year we are paying £1000 per day, so this year it was £1500 a time.
There was a time just after 9/11 when we thought we would never get insrance agian at a resonable price, when we started fast taxing XR728 regually infront of the public back in 1990 we did use a company that insured steam boilers of main line railway engines and the like but they really hicked the premiums after 9/11 which is why we went down the dragster route, mainly because of our association with the Prime time dragster team that regually come to our open days, they bless their socks pointed us to their insurance people.
We also insure ourselves against injury to the tune of £50,000 each which is a realitively low premium,(carnt remember exactly how much) this is just incase one of us falls off, cracks his head etc while working on either of them.

We use the only company in the UK that will insure dragsters.
So each Lightning is a 3 wheeled dragster.
I would say you should be looking along simular lines to do what you intend

Hope this helps

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By: ZRX61 - 21st September 2005 at 03:32

Their is a company in the UK that insure ground running aircraft but the cost are huge, last time we insured Buccaneer XX894 whilst she was at Kemble, the premium was £1800 per year …

I’ve had higher quotes for motorcycle policies..

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By: VTTSCM - 21st September 2005 at 01:48

just out of interest, does the CAA take any interest in things like ground-running only aircraft? I’d presume not as they dont aviate, just wondered if they had any input to the ground runs/taxi runs??
Neil

Short answer is No!!

The CAA, I believe, look on ground running/fast taxi run aircraft as Jet Dragsters. 😮 😮

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By: trumper - 17th September 2005 at 15:00

Their is a company in the UK that insure ground running aircraft but the cost are huge, last time we insured Buccaneer XX894 whilst she was at Kemble, the premium was £1800 per year and that was 4 years ago.

Another line of thought is something that was mentioned during a meeting we had back in the spring, try and locate a company who insure Dragsters, might sound strange but certainly worth looking into.

Best of luck with your endeavours.

Is that a huge amount,some cars cost a fair amount.I would imagine trying to insure jet engines and fuel tanks and crowds would be more than that.
I would imagine if the plane only ran twice a year then it would be costly but if the plane runs fairly frequently and can get some money back from paying visitors then it may not be deemed overly expensive for a technical fast bit of machinery.

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By: Guzzineil - 17th September 2005 at 14:56

Their is a company in the UK that insure ground running aircraft but the cost are huge, last time we insured Buccaneer XX894 whilst she was at Kemble, the premium was £1800 per year and that was 4 years ago.

Another line of thought is something that was mentioned during a meeting we had back in the spring, try and locate a company who insure Dragsters, might sound strange but certainly worth looking into.

Best of luck with your endeavours.

just out of interest, was that insuring the airframe or just public liability or both?? and just being nosey, does the CAA take any interest in things like ground-running only aircraft? I’d presume not as they dont aviate, just wondered if they had any input to the ground runs/taxi runs??
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By: galdri - 17th September 2005 at 14:05

Thanks a lot 😉 😀

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By: JetBlast - 17th September 2005 at 13:48

Their is a company in the UK that insure ground running aircraft but the cost are huge, last time we insured Buccaneer XX894 whilst she was at Kemble, the premium was £1800 per year and that was 4 years ago.

Another line of thought is something that was mentioned during a meeting we had back in the spring, try and locate a company who insure Dragsters, might sound strange but certainly worth looking into.

Best of luck with your endeavours.

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